Jump to content
SAU Community

Is Non Turbo Good?

goeyz

By goeyz,
in Engines & Forced Induction

 Share

Recommended Posts

IOWNU Grand Master

IOWNU

Posted
Posted
mine used to beat heaps of gtst's when it was a 2.5 NA, most people need to learn to drive... straight line or twisties...

LoL...I don't care if you're Ralph Schumacher, you're not about to beat a GTST in a GTS (assuming its standard) UNLESS the driver of the turbo vehicle is totally incompetent. If he has half a brain, he'd win.

  • Replies 80
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Eug Grand Master

Eug

Posted
Posted
LoL...I don't care if you're Ralph Schumacher, you're not about to beat a GTST in a GTS (assuming its standard) UNLESS the driver of the turbo vehicle is totally incompetent. If he has half a brain, he'd win.

dude, whats with the attitude?

the thread is about if non-turbo's are good, and people's responses have been that they are decent, and are quite capable of keeping up with gtst's.

someone people just have teh notion that with more power your going to

win hands down... john was simply proving that wrong.

everyone has a different level of abiltity, and if someone with an NA can keep up with a gtst then good on them. no need to get cranky because 100mL and 2 extra turbos are needed to compensate for ability.

funkymonkey Grand Master

funkymonkey

Posted
Posted

hehe IOWNU... I do believe I took out 2 R33 GTSt's (granted one of them was an auto) and 1 R34 GTt (yes Pete... I did beat you... twice) out of a recent SAU VIC organised motorkhana comp... and I did it in my daily driver R32 GTS (2.0L N/A which has bugger all mods except or a set of Fujitsubo extractors and high flow exhaust) because my track car was getting work done on it. I can show you the times from the day if you want proof. We were all having fun really, no Schumachers amongst us.

All comes down to how the car is applied and how serious the drivers are, and in my case... luck :P

That said, R33's are heavy cars due to the extra chassis rigidity and increased size over an R32, so I don't know how an R33 GTS will carry that weight. However I do know non turbo skylines aren't that shabby compared to like a honda integra, which is probably a good alternative. Will you win circuit events at Oran park or Phillip Island with an R33 GTS... probably not, will you have a nice car with decent fuel efficiency, rwd and decent options like all wheel steering that aren't featured in other cars that you can buy for a similar price.... definitely.

IOWNU Grand Master

IOWNU

Posted
Posted
dude, whats with the attitude?

the thread is about if non-turbo's are good, and people's responses have been that they are decent, and are quite capable of keeping up with gtst's.

someone people just have teh notion that with more power your going to

win hands down... john was simply proving that wrong.

everyone has a different level of abiltity, and if someone with an NA can keep up with a gtst then good on them. no need to get cranky because 100mL and 2 extra turbos are needed to compensate for ability.

I'm not being moody, I'm stating the facts. Facts are, the same driver, given a GTS and a GTST, would perform better in the GTST. It's called reality. Sure they'd win, if the other driver missed a gear, shifted at 4000rpm etc etc....Sure if u get lucky u get lucky, but most of the time u won't.

As for 100mL and 2 extra turbos compensating for ability........you haven't seen me drive, nor have I seen you drive, so neither you or I can comment, but I can assure you this, when I drive my GTR (when its functional LoL) I drive it like they should be driven.......

Peace.

Eug Grand Master

Eug

Posted
Posted

fair enough dude...

i admit the 100ml/twin was a bit below teh belt, but it appears that everyone who seems to have some sort of force induced car has the notion that NA's are slugs.

but the fact is we arent talking about GTST's here... we're talking about GTS's and whether they are able to hold their own or if its any good.

GTST will always have more power (simple), but there will be other factors drivability (ie. lag.) which may/may not effect how the car is driven especially around a tight track.

we're not comparing NA and turbo here, nor are we comparing driver's abilities... but in the right hands

an NA car is good enough to keep up with the turbo's.

and that at the end of the day is partly what this thread was originally about - and funky summed that up nicely.

Schumacher out. :P

gts25t4door Experienced

gts25t4door

Posted
Posted

People say that N/A skylines will beat turbo skylines and I am sure that with a little tinkering of the engine and suspension they could. But not in their standard form.

But you still get all the looks of a Skyline, and not to mention better Fuel econemy with a N/A line. I like all Skylines, not just Turbo Jobbies.

Chris

DarKZer0 Community Regular

DarKZer0

Posted
Posted

non turbo cars are pretty much same as turbos but minus the power and I guess better for fuel economy, tho my R32 with a RB25 wastes much more petrol then my GTT.

RB20DE or RB25DE R32 NA will definately not beat a R32 or R33 GTST. As for beating a R34 GTT - you my friend are pushing it too far.

funkymonkey Grand Master

funkymonkey

Posted
Posted

not my fault if said R34 GTt driver can't get the car into the garage properly at the end of the motorkhana course :P must have been all that power and not enough manueverability.

morlock Collaborator

morlock

Posted
Posted

more power can sometimes make you slower cause it's not there when u need it....ie down low and midrange.

plus don't the NA motors have slightly higher compression as well? Also the diff ratio will play a part in acceleration which manufacturers take into account when designing NA performance cars. So in tight tracks you may have an advantage off the line and in low speed corners.

having said all that I have a GTST and it's a ball of fun.

  • 2 weeks later...
cookie300zx Explorer

cookie300zx

Posted
Posted
Well... when "racing" on the streets... i believe that it all comes down to GUTS!!!

U must have the balls to lose your license or even your life to push yourself and your car to the furthers limits on the streets ;-)

that is possibly one of the most stupid comments i have heard in my life. what happens if you lost control and kill someone else. you may have the balls to lose your life, but would you have the balls to take someone elses? grow the f**k up!

krzysiu Grand Master

krzysiu

Posted
Posted (edited)
that is possibly one of the most stupid comments i have heard in my life. what happens if you lost control and kill someone else. you may have the balls to lose your life, but would you have the balls to take someone elses? grow the f**k up!

I agree

Julian, are you a f*kkin retard?

Edited by krzysiu
Julian Newbie

Julian

Posted
Posted (edited)

oops... sorry guys, i think u all misunderstood me... I never never encourage street racing... i value myself, my family, friends, and career to behave in such childish ways. I believe in acting responsibly to myself and others...

What i mean was that even though you may drive a GTR turbo / ferrari / lambo, but the guy driving a humble camry or watsoever may still go faster then you, all because he is gusty, skillful, dumb or retard, enough. So even though any of us drive a very pwerful car, don't act like you are king of the road, and behave humbly. Just like many times, when i reach the speed limit, i still see guys in simple cars going much faster...

Be humble or u will be humbled :P

Hope this clear things up... ;-) no hard feeling...

For those who insulted me, your apologies accepted haha :)

Seems like people driving Skylines have quite an attitude ha ha B)

Edited by Julian

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • Waders360
      M35 Brake caliper replacement

      By Waders360 · Posted

      Hi from Canada, Both of my calipers are starting to fail. My car is a 2005 M35 Stagea ARX and I can't seem to find any parts or any cross reference caliper that would fit my car. Is there a company or a similar caliper that would fit and I could replace the OEM one. Or if anyone knows where I can find a new OEM. Any help is very appreciated. Let me know!
    • 25zenki
      S1 rb25/s14 starting problem

      By 25zenki · Posted

      Maf is a question mark but TPS  I have set at 0.47, the fact that I’m getting proper voltage range out of it with the key on leads me to believe it’s functioning properly. I’m getting proper voltages on basically everything. I still need to look up voltage ranges for z32 maf and test that 
    • 25zenki
      S1 rb25/s14 starting problem

      By 25zenki · Posted

      Honestly no not at all, but it’s a very basic tune, it’s stock injectors q45 tps and z32 maf. Other than that it’s a completely stock base map. The file is from nistune and from my understanding if it was tune related I would be able to unplug maf and tps and it would still start even if it was a really shitty start. I have tried starting it with coolant temp, maf, and tps unplugged none of those 3 togethor or individually changes anything 
    • Matt Z
      SAU NSW - Bathurst Run 2025

      By Matt Z · Posted

      🏆 Skyline Supremacy Meets Mount Panorama Magic 🏆 Join SAU NSW as we take the long way to Bathurst, the home of GTR greatness. Saturday 30th August 2025 7:00AM Meeting Hanna Park North Richmond 7:30AM Departure Cruise Via Bells of Line Road 9:00AM Arrival to Stop 1: Golden Poplars Meadow Flat 9:45AM Arrival to Final Destination: Mount Panorama Motor Racing Circuit Meet Location: Hanna Park North Richmond Stop 1: Golden Poplars Meadow Flat Final Destination: Mount Panorama Motor Racing Circuit   *Disclaimer* There will be a lead and follow car so no one should get lost. If you would like to attend or bring others along please put your name down and a +1 as numbers will be needed prior! This is NOT a race and we will all be adhering to all road rules. If this is what you want please come to one of our many track days. This is an official SAU:NSW event and will be run under a CAMS permit. One of the things that really sets our club apart is our commitment to being true enthusiasts. When on normal roads we strive to maintain good relations with the authorities as well as the public in general. When attending one of Skylines Australia NSW events please try to: • Be aware of surrounding environment and act accordingly. • Drive courteously on the state’s roads as a true enthusiast should. • Understand how important it is to maintain the good name of SAU NSW and thus, treat others accordingly. • Any misbehavior will not be tolerated and you will be asked to leave.
    • soviet_merlin
      My BMW E39 528i touring

      By soviet_merlin · Posted

      What does it look like with highway driving? And yes, I had a similar thought as Duncan. It looks quite similar in my Stagea and I have made myself accept it as normal. Might have to look into it some day   Highway gets as low as 10l/100km on my end so I'm not as worried about it being a mechanical issue. More likely just the tune on the haltech.
×
×
  • Create New...