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Wasnt there a season (1995?) when Benetton had customer Renault motors and Williams ran the factory Renault engines? What about Jordan in 1998/99 wiith Hill and Frentzen. They werent factory Honda engines, werent they back door Mugen? Honda only officially returned to F1 with BAR (this is from memory so ????)

Still, i think it has more to do with lack of finances / expertise meaning you outsource you engine development. the same lackl of funds means you dont have the right engineering staff, teh right drivers etc etc.

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i think djr81 owes us a whole lotta love. :rofl:

remember though were only talking about "customer" engines, where the team has had to pay for the engines and not be supplied arbitrarily by an engine manufacturer.

benetton and ford on 94 is an interesting case though..was it a works engine or paid for by benetton? i have to check.

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speaking of the 94 benetton, i just stumbled across this amazing website with a very collectable item for sale.. :rofl:

anyone for a WDC winning machine??

http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/11...157661450ss.htm

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djr81 Grand Master

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were Jordan still running mugens when they came close the WDC? Or were they proper Honda's by then?

If memory serves Honda were not in F1 under their own name at that point, meaning the Mugen engine was not technically a customer engine. In previous years it had been basically a badged version of obsolete variants of the bespoke motors.

I was thinking more along the lines of say the Renault relationship with RedBull, or perhaps Ferrari's with Sauber.

Mind you HHF came mightilly close to a drivers crown in '99. If only they hadn't coughed it up at Monza. They were still Mugens in '99 I think.

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i think djr81 owes us a whole lotta love. :(

remember though were only talking about "customer" engines, where the team has had to pay for the engines and not be supplied arbitrarily by an engine manufacturer.

benetton and ford on 94 is an interesting case though..was it a works engine or paid for by benetton? i have to check.

Benetton had a works deal in '94 with Ford. The motors were no longer badged as Cosworth by that stage.

In '95 they had Renault motors. I reckon you could reasonably quantify it as a factory eninge deal because the motors were every bit as good a the ones in the Williams.

The best I can come up with is McLaren in 1993. Senna won 5 GP's with a customer Ford engine that was always an evolution behind the works Benettons versions. Ron Dennis had to sign a cheque to get them too.

Roy Grand Master

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Yeh when Schuey picked up the WDC on 94 for the first time it was courtesy of Ford power. But the customer Renault deal in 95 made Benettons life easier when racing Hill and Couthard.

In 93 the Ford engine was sure a lot better then thge Peugot they ended up with...ooooh thedark days of McLaren, remember that monstrosity that Mansell ran at the Aus GP? :(

And now another reason for me to hate Hamilton...he is boning the 18yr old daughter of the TAG squillionaire who as you would expect is rather easy on the eye.

LewisHBig1408_468x709.jpg

I think a good union hit into the water will do his season in. Hell if tennis did Montoya in then these little fellas woudlnt be hard to break... :)

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and here is our problem troy:

when you're a teenager watching these guys in their mid 20s race F1, bang hot chicks and cash their multi million dollar cheques we look up to them thinking "that could be me one day". Now they are younger than us we are looking at them thinking "f**k, that should have been me". Though I guess there is still hope for us, after all webber and DC are in the 30s and MS raced well into his. Jackie stuart I don't think even started F1 till he was 30 something.

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And now another reason for me to hate Hamilton...he is boning the 18yr old daughter of the TAG squillionaire who as you would expect is rather easy on the eye.

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that chick really doesn't look like anything special...not in that pic anyway. she looks about 30....

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