Gym And Supplement Discussion

[UNR33L]

Genesis wantirna, making all kindsss of gains

/hodgetwins

[Husky33]

Stability and better for the back/joints re: avoiding injury.

Sorry but that still doesn't tell me why.

[Birds]

Sorry but that still doesn't tell me why.

Don't apologise...

Not taking anything away from his effort, but look what happened when Ghosty reached the end of his rep range...his back and core wobbled and he stumbled around (forcing legs out of their previously locked position) trying to catch the last rep. A less...injury prone...way to standing overhead press, is one leg in front of the other and knees slightly bent. Done properly, you'll never move around like that.

[Brotato]

My jimmies have been rustled.

I'm so weak compared to people who have gone to the gym as long as me.

[JEPPE]

Don't apologise...

lol, don't patronise

[Husky33]

Don't apologise...

Not taking anything away from his effort, but look what happened when Ghosty reached the end of his rep range...his back and core wobbled and he stumbled around (forcing legs out of their previously locked position) trying to catch the last rep. A less...injury prone...way to standing overhead press, is one leg in front of the other and knees slightly bent. Done properly, you'll never move around like that.

I'm not apologising it's just a figure of speech.

Splitting your legs may take some pressure off your back as it stops you from leaning back as much. However, this has nothing to do with knees being locked out or not.

And leaning back has nothing to do with the exercise, it has to do with the person. If you are pressing overhead and start to struggle, you can either stop, start push pressing, and/or lean back to try and reduce the rom. Just don't lean back stupidly and you'll be fine.

I personally think flexing your quads gets more muscle fibres activated and provides a more stable base and core. And to do this your knees have to be locked out.

And to finish, the exercise 'military press' is done with legs locked out. If you are doing anything else you are not doing a military press.

[jangles]

Don't apologise...

Not taking anything away from his effort, but look what happened when Ghosty reached the end of his rep range...his back and core wobbled and he stumbled around (forcing legs out of their previously locked position) trying to catch the last rep. A less...injury prone...way to standing overhead press, is one leg in front of the other and knees slightly bent. Done properly, you'll never move around like that.

But that was due to bad technique/overdoing it. Not because of the intended way to do it.

Edit: husky got me.

Edited January 18, 2013 by jangles

[Birds]

I'm not apologising it's just a figure of speech.

Splitting your legs may take some pressure off your back as it stops you from leaning back as much. However, this has nothing to do with knees being locked out or not.

And leaning back has nothing to do with the exercise, it has to do with the person. If you are pressing overhead and start to struggle, you can either stop, start push pressing, and/or lean back to try and reduce the rom. Just don't lean back stupidly and you'll be fine.

I personally think flexing your quads gets more muscle fibres activated and provides a more stable base and core. And to do this your knees have to be locked out.

And to finish, the exercise 'military press' is done with legs locked out. If you are doing anything else you are not doing a military press.

I'm not talking about him leaning back a bit, that's fine. I'm talking about the wobble in his midsection that is a result of pushing the set til failure and his back/core being the first part to give way at the sign of a struggle. With straight legs, your back and core take the full brunt of it, as that's the only place flex can occur. Bending knees slightly, gives you more control over the movement; allows you to use your leg muscles to maintain a straight back and regulate/reduce/counter wobbles on the Y axis when you start to struggle.

As for military press defined, in it's strictest sense I'd agree with you...but people do it sitting down and call it that, so as long as you're not driving with the legs when splitting, I don't see the harm in a slight variation to prevent injury when lifting heavy.

[TM7GTR]

My jimmies have been rustled.

I'm so weak compared to people who have gone to the gym as long as me.

This guy.... uses every damn quote that annoys me from Facebook pages

[Husky33]

I'm not talking about him leaning back a bit, that's fine. I'm talking about the wobble in his midsection that is a result of pushing the set til failure and his back/core being the first part to give way at the sign of a struggle. With straight legs, your back and core take the full brunt of it, as that's the only place flex can occur. Bending knees slightly, gives you more control over the movement; allows you to use your leg muscles to maintain a straight back and regulate/reduce/counter wobbles on the Y axis when you start to struggle.

As for military press defined, in it's strictest sense I'd agree with you...but people do it sitting down and call it that, so as long as you're not driving with the legs when splitting, I don't see the harm in a slight variation to prevent injury when lifting heavy.

The military press/strict press was a lift that was done at the olympics. These guys were pushing 200kg's, and they had to have their legs locked.

Doesn't matter what people do or what people call things, the military press is done standing, with legs locked. It's not made up gym rules, it was a sanctioned olympic lift.

If you want to military press, stand up, knees locked, and don't bend your back too far. If you feel you are straining your back, stop the exercises and/or drop the weight. Work on your core strength and lower back strength.

If you just want to overhead press, then doing whatever way you want. Bent knees, split legs, sitting down, upside down....who cares.

[Birds]

The military press/strict press was a lift that was done at the olympics. These guys were pushing 200kg's, and they had to have their legs locked.

Doesn't matter what people do or what people call things, the military press is done standing, with legs locked. It's not made up gym rules, it was a sanctioned olympic lift.

If you want to military press, stand up, knees locked, and don't bend your back too far. If you feel you are straining your back, stop the exercises and/or drop the weight. Work on your core strength and lower back strength.

If you just want to overhead press, then doing whatever way you want. Bent knees, split legs, sitting down, upside down....who cares.

I said I agreed with you about the definition of it? I just don't care if people think what I'm doing isn't military press, I'd rather save my back. I'm doing it for the exercise, not the title. If you want to talk semantics, I originally referred to bending the knees during overhead press movements, not military press specifically.

Anywho, I've already broken my rule of one argument + rebuttal, so time for me to let this one go.

[Husky33]

Well i prefer to do military press properly and I prefer to save my back by strengthening it, not avoiding exercises.

Each to their own though.

[GHOSTrun]

I'd rather save my back.

I'd rather strengthen my back.

Change the way you think Birds , if something is weak then make it strong, don't avoid it.

/gah simon beat me to it

Edited January 18, 2013 by GHOSTrun

[Dani Boi]

Current stack:

Synthol & some horse hormones that I got from some bloke who wanted to keep his name secret so he called himself chestbrah.

Seriously, eat clen and tren hard. Ty men.

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This guy.... uses every damn quote that annoys me from Facebook pages

Edited January 18, 2013 by Dani Boi

[Trozzle]

This guy.... uses every damn quote that annoys me from Facebook pages

From Facebook pages...? L2internet my friend. I loved these quote UNTIL I saw them on Facebook, at which point all the little social media faggots cancer ruined them.

[Brotato]

This guy.... uses every damn quote that annoys me from Facebook pages

I'm sorry for offending you Tom.

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hehe ty men.

From Facebook pages...? L2internet my friend. I loved these quote UNTIL I saw them on Facebook, at which point all the little social media faggots cancer ruined them.

Some people just want to see the world burn. I'd agree with you there though, almost everything from 4chan (/fit/) included it's hilarious. You would NEVER hear anyone talk about "epic" things or "memes" circa 07.

[Birds]

I'd rather strengthen my back.

Change the way you think Birds , if something is weak then make it strong, don't avoid it.

/gah simon beat me to it

Yes your bulging discs are doing a great job of that. Strengthening doesn't fix bad form, correcting with proper technique does. I'm not avoiding any weakness here...the back and core get worked just as much in my method, only less susceptible to injury because it's a stricter movement.

[Brotato]

do you guys do good mornings to strengthen the posterior chain?

[Trozzle]

do you guys do good mornings to strengthen the posterior chain?

I'm not much of a morning person to be honest.

[Brotato]

I'm not much of a morning person to be honest.

haha! I found that good mornings really helped with my squats. Slowly getting better at it.