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Tech Edge and Vipec ECU's, how well do they compare to the APex'i Power FC?

a bit like comparing the flavour of swiss chocolate and dogshit. :blush:

anyway...im off to the workshop. see you tomm.

Bakes will post up some more progress shots soon.

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(OO)SKYLINE(OO) Grand Master

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a bit like comparing the flavour of swiss chocolate and dogshit. :bunny:

anyway...im off to the workshop. see you tomm.

Bakes will post up some more progress shots soon.

LOL!

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Yeah... Ah... Seriously... So the APex'i Power FC for the win, or..?

:banana:

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LOL!

:bunny:

Yeah... Ah... Seriously... So the APex'i Power FC for the win, or..?

:banana:

It always comes down to your long term goals and how the individual that owns the car wants to drive it. Same goes for any modification, wheather it be turbo's, cams, ecu, exhaust. Its a balance of parts that must work together to achieve a result, and in the end its all in the hands of your tuner anyway.

Ive tuned haltech's, wolfs and FC's in a variety of cars now and they all have their pro's and cons. All ecu's have some advantage over the others. It comes down to what suits your goals and engine recipe the best, and what your tuner can produce your desired result with.

Ive yet to play with a vipec. The ecu was designed/developed by a local (Cairns) resident thats been into ecu's and turbo's for many years. They started out turbocharging landcruisers for toyota and developed toyota's sahara model. More recently was the Autronic, and they are one of the largest Garrett dealers in the country.

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It always comes down to your long term goals and how the individual that owns the car wants to drive it. Same goes for any modification, wheather it be turbo's, cams, ecu, exhaust. Its a balance of parts that must work together to achieve a result, and in the end its all in the hands of your tuner anyway.

Ive tuned haltech's, wolfs and FC's in a variety of cars now and they all have their pro's and cons. All ecu's have some advantage over the others. It comes down to what suits your goals and engine recipe the best, and what your tuner can produce your desired result with.

Ive yet to play with a vipec. The ecu was designed/developed by a local (Cairns) resident thats been into ecu's and turbo's for many years. They started out turbocharging landcruisers for toyota and developed toyota's sahara model. More recently was the Autronic, and they are one of the largest Garrett dealers in the country.

Right, I see.

So in Bakes situation he is going for what suites his setup, in which this case the Tech Edge is right for him...

As suggested by his tuner Red R Racing / DiRTgarage...

Cool!

Reason I ask is Iam only familiar to Japanese brand ECU as majority off the JDM car enthusiest worship the APex'i Power FC (in particular) or the HKS F-Con V-Pro or Mines etc...

But like you said they have there Pros and Cons.

Thanks GTRNUR! :banana:

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Right, I see.

So in Bakes situation he is going for what suites his setup, in which this case the Tech Edge is right for him...

As suggested by his tuner Red R Racing / DiRTgarage...

Cool!

Reason I ask is Iam only familiar to Japanese brand ECU as majority off the JDM car enthusiest worship the APex'i Power FC (in particular) or the HKS F-Con V-Pro or Mines etc...

But like you said they have there Pros and Cons.

Thanks GTRNUR! :D

Not exactly. The Power FC is so limited in what you can do. If you just have a 250rwkw - 300rwkw street car then a power fc is fine. Once you start stepping it up and push your car further then you will need to upgrade.

Yep and I dont have to drive back and forward to Sydney for tuning either. There are zero power fc tuners in Newcastle.

I tune lots of power fc's, have been for years. I was the biggest power fc supporter but i started to realise all these extra gadgets and extra options i had sitting in my car hanging off the ecu was not the best option. After getting the Vi-Pec I have never looked back.

Can you PM me your phone number Bakes? are you available tomorrow afternoon after 5? I need you to drive the car while i put a base map in it and get it ready for the Dyno because Paul will be racing at WSID.

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Can you PM me your phone number Bakes? are you available tomorrow afternoon after 5? I need you to drive the car while i put a base map in it and get it ready for the Dyno because Paul will be racing at WSID.

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Not exactly. The Power FC is so limited in what you can do. If you just have a 250rwkw - 300rwkw street car then a power fc is fine. Once you start stepping it up and push your car further then you will need to upgrade.

I tune lots of power fc's, have been for years. I was the biggest power fc supporter but i started to realise all these extra gadgets and extra options i had sitting in my car hanging off the ecu was not the best option. After getting the Vi-Pec I have never looked back.

Right,

So your saying you would have to change the whole APex'i Power FC to a totaly different ECU all together when going above 300kW+?

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My PFC ran/runs ( I sold the car) my R33 GTR perfectly with 471rwkw. I'm not saying that another ECU may not have been better, but to put a power limit on the FC seems wrong, but I'm no tuner, just a lowly end user.

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Wow Bakes, I'll be watching this too, should be a great ride once it's done! :P I've always said if it had 300+kws it would be perfect....... and then i would mumble something about stealing it..... come to Auto Salon! :)

Again, I'm not a pro, but a PFC doesn't seem quite as flexible as a ViPec... I've seen both and if they cost the same price (which they nearly do) I would definately go the ViPec, it is definately a superior and more maluable ECU.

I like my PFC though, does a great job and I don't break anything by fiddling with a hundered million settings! :(

Swiper the Fox Grand Master

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This is not an ecu debate thread...my chocolate vs dogshit call was in jest...hence the open mouthed smiley after the comment.

back on topic or you will all be banned !@*%!

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