Removing ABS of R32 GTSt

[Frosty]

I was wondering if anyone has attempted to remove the ABS from a skyline.

When i say removing i mean the whole system not just taking the ABS fuse out

if someone has attempted this or know someone that has can you let me know how you went about it what the cost was etc!!!

cheers guys

[51jay]

curious as to why you'd want to do this?? is your car insured?? if so i'm pretty sure this would nullify it.

[Frosty]

I ahve always hated ABS. after they nearly killed me not too long ago i decided that i want to remove the whole system and do a nice big brake upgrade

some nice slotted rotor and new callipers all the way around

so if anyone knows anything??

[predator]

I didn't think ABS was available on any of the R32?

[blind_elk]

predator, ABS was an option, I think (my GTS4 certainly has it).

Frosty,

how did ABS nearly kill you? As I said, I've got ABS, but I think I've only ever activated it twice in the 4 years I 've had the car. Probably because I learned threshold braking many years ago, so I control the lockup point of the brakes.

I would suggest it's not a good idea to remove the ABS - you don't know what effect it will then have on brake performance.

[JimX]

I can sympathise with wanting to get rid of ABS, particularly the reportedly inferior version on early 90's Japanese cars. It can sometimes come on in an unexpected way. If you maintain a level head you can outbrake a car with an ABS system, after you lose traction. I'll give you an example.

Recently I was driving around a sharp-ish curve up to an unexpected red light. The car in front of me had slammed on his brakes and I had to do likewise. I wasn't going very fast (maybe 50kph?) but because of the curve, the short distance, and my shithouse front tyres, I managed to easily lock them up.

As soon as it happened, I just backed off and re-applied properly and continued to pull up within ample distance of the car in front. If I had ABS, I think I would have had to rely on them to pull me up, as it's very difficult to do this when you have to contend with the computer trying to do the same thing as you. More than likely you will let your foot up too much and increase your stopping distance by a fairly large amount.

That said, I'd like to have ABS on my motorcycle, because once you lock up the front you usually crash (as I have done several times). In this case I would rather have significantly increased stopping distances than dumping the bike on its side and sliding down the road (which won't slow you down as much as even a bad braking application).

[Kinks]

There are times when ABS is good and ABS is really annoying. Depends on your driving pattern, and skill level. I'd be tempted to leave it in for daily duties since braking in a straight line is a no brainer with ABS just nail the middle pedal. But if you're doing track work you might want to be in control of the brakes.

[blind_elk]

Apparently the method for using ABS is simply keep the foot buried on the pedal and let the ABS do the work for you. I guess that's because that's what the average d1ckhead motorist does in a panic stop - bury the foot.

Maybe that's why Frosty had a problem - he tried to outsmart the ABS.

But it certainly takes some getting used to if you have learned to threshold brake.

[Roy]

If its going to cost money to remove the ABS, i say leave it ...especially if you are doing track work. If using soft type R rubber it will only take one lock up and you have ruined a $450 tyre.

Im not phased that my car doesnt have ABS... but in my old R31 GTSX i wish i had it, as with it i suspect the car would still be with me.

[Frosty]

blind_elk

i have done car trainer programs aswell as you probly have too

when i hit the ABS the pedal went straight to the floor. I would much prefer not to have it as kdince braking is much more easier than a computer

as JIMX is saying there was major problems with the ABS in the early jap cars including the R32 and im not the first to have problems with this system......

[blind_elk]

Well, in hindsight, that happened to me, although it was simply a case of 'pedal to floor' under light braking. It was at Winton, just after I had got the car. I presumed at the time it was because the brakes had overheated.

But it has NEVER happened since. Even on the racetrack.

[Frosty]

hmm ok

i dont know what it is with mine they just never pull up like they should even around town and normal driving.

when i had the accident i was only doing 30kms and she just wouldnt stop

so thats what made me actually make my mind up

no real damage to the skyline lucky only smashed the front bar and a rim

will be all good soon

YAAY!!!!! cant wait to get it back on the road

[GTS-t VSPEC]

I have removed the ABS from my R33. The main reason was I didn't like it, plus it was the ideal location for my 45mm external wastegate. The easiest option is to get the brake lines from the non-ABS Skyline, they should fit up easily.

I like the ability to completely control my braking:D

[Roy]

Not saying ABS is better or worse, but are you sure the problem your having with brakes is the ABS, not something like faulty master cylinder / brake booster / crappy fluid or pads?

Just a suggestion.

[Frosty]

Nah had all those redone not to long ago before the accident

never has pulled up like it should bit of a worry

anyway whats done is done now its stopping it from happening again that worries me

[Duncan]

Just my 2c worth, I won't buy a car without ABS.

ABS detects wheel slip when it happens and eases off the wheel in question (assuming it is 4 channel ABS). As soon as the individual whele regains traction it allows braking pressure again.

As a driver, you *can* outbrake ABS. All you need to take into account is:

Road Surface

Road temperature

Tyre grip

Brake heat

changes/bumps in road surface

condition of your fluid, lines, master and slave cylinder.

Personally, I reckon its a crock that you could do all of the above in unknown road conditions at a moments notice.

Even on the track its really difficult to get right, and there you do exactly the same corner every 1-2 minutes. Realistically, you find a brake marker (in other words you have already decided how far you need to stop) and then brake in that distance, ie brake harder and harder until the wheels lock, then back off.

[Frosty]

GTS VSPEC

You removed the ABS of your car?

do you have any pics of what you did or any tips on how to do it?

i really dont trust it hey :S

what about the computer for the ABS? what did you do with that did you remove it?

[Hero_boy]

If you can get your ABS working fine, would removing the Fuse when racing/drifting etc and putting the fuse back for everyday/semi-grandma driving be a better idea??

-=Hero_boy=-

[Frosty]

my car doesnt go on the track at all

its more than likely that some idiot would pull out in front of my on the highway at 110 that worries me

if it wont pull up granny driving how is it going to stop on the highway