Andra Vs E85 ... Sign The Petition.

[N I B]

Our Race RBs are using 3 litres of E85 a lap at Wanneroo and a good lap is 1 minute or better but the Performance gains are well worth it.

[Butters]

i see andra may be taking this approach to approving it before it gets too grubby for them. I see this press release as the 1st step.

http://www.andra.com.au/article.asp?Id=2101

Well at least that is clearer to people that it is not allowed ... well sort of.

Guess they are at least paying attention now.

One plus side of the petition is it gets it in the public eye.

[Beer Baron]

lol, reading that press release once statement stuck out at me.

" While the presence of bowsers dispensing E85 has been advised in some states, consistent availability to the public has not been confirmed. Suppliers who may comply with this requirement should contact ANDRA."

what a crock. consistent availability to the public has not been confirmed my hairy arse. United servo just near the anzac bridge (victoria rd rozelle) has been selling it 'consistently' for over a year now. any member of the public can walk in there and buy some if they so chose, just like they can at the other sevos that sell it. And if this was as they say "no confirmed" then why didn't they just call up and ask??? I'm sure united would be able to confirm that they retail E85 through a number of their aus-wide servos to any member of the public that wants to buy it. they couldn't lie straight in bed....

[Swiper the Fox]

lol, reading that press release once statement stuck out at me.

" While the presence of bowsers dispensing E85 has been advised in some states, consistent availability to the public has not been confirmed. Suppliers who may comply with this requirement should contact ANDRA."

what a crock. consistent availability to the public has not been confirmed my hairy arse. United servo just near the anzac bridge (victoria rd rozelle) has been selling it 'consistently' for over a year now. any member of the public can walk in there and buy some if they so chose, just like they can at the other sevos that sell it. And if this was as they say "no confirmed" then why didn't they just call up and ask??? I'm sure united would be able to confirm that they retail E85 through a number of their aus-wide servos to any member of the public that wants to buy it. they couldn't lie straight in bed....

Mate it sticks out like dobermann's nuts that the goons running the sport are trapped well and truely in the dark ages. If i can get an 8 out of the current combo it may well be the last time i take my car to a straight track. Ive well and truely had enough. Circuit guys are much more advanced in thinking and intelligence...time to book myself in for that brain transplant and come have some fun using the middle pedal me thinks.

[Beer Baron]

yeah it's pretty bad and doesn't bode well for the future of the sport that's for sure.

there certainly has been a battle in circuit racing too as a lot of the odle worlde crowd at the top of the heap had a big interest in keeping things nice for old cars. and simultaneously making it tough for affordable, fast, modern japanese cars. but with the big breakthroughs made in drifting, and with rising popularity of events like superlap etc things are definitely improving. and there is no doubt it's fun.

[NYTSKY]

Fight the power (raises fist)

[Swiper the Fox]

Fight the power (raises fist)

Here's me wondering why at the last event my entry had a big red stamp on it that said "TO BE AUDITED"...went over my car with a fine tooth comb looking for faults and non compliance on safety gear. Then after the 1st run i was instructed to go straight to scruiteneering before returning to the pit bay...why?...fuel testing!!

My car is fully compliant as well as my race suit, harness, helmet etc...so they had nothing...hehe

Edited January 20, 2010 by DiRTgarage

[N I B]

yeah it's pretty bad and doesn't bode well for the future of the sport that's for sure.

there certainly has been a battle in circuit racing too as a lot of the odle worlde crowd at the top of the heap had a big interest in keeping things nice for old cars. and simultaneously making it tough for affordable, fast, modern japanese cars. but with the big breakthroughs made in drifting, and with rising popularity of events like superlap etc things are definitely improving. and there is no doubt it's fun.

Improved Production is a classic example of this.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

[Beer Baron]

Improved Production is a classic example of this.

exactly. the old guard ensure regs favour the old cars they and their friends own, love and have invested heavily in. look at the size and scope of historics too, and look at the very interesting cut-off dates for the classes that basically exclude nearly everything japanese (as they only really kicked on in a big way from the 80s and with turbo cars in the late 80s-90s).

we both know how competitive GTSTs, GTRs, Supras, FD RX7s, MR2 turbos, etc could be in certain classes but the regs are there to exclude them, or if they are allowed the regs un-fairly penalise them.

late model 80s-90s japanese turbo cars are about as welcome in australian motor racing as an american soldier in Afghanistan.... and that goes for both grass roots amatuer type events all the way through state and national competitions too. but as I said things are improving little by little.

[Swiper the Fox]

yesterday we did a comparison dyno test with a car tuned on Roo16 and E85

of course the tune had to be changed to give the same afr's, but was running the same boost and timing....no difference!!

you would swear it was a back to back run without changing anything...no wonder the mega dollar per litre race fuel manufacturers are in a panic. You can achieve the same power output and curve using a fuel $11 per litre cheaper.

Edited January 23, 2010 by DiRTgarage

[discopotato03]

Not to side with the establishment but I was talking to someone the the other day that raised this point .

What about the class structures as in petrol classes rather than alcohol classes , E85 having bit of both would be in no mans land wouldn't it ?

Just food for thought ?

Cheers A .

[ezy_09s]

^^ I would guess that 85 % of the time you race in an alcohol class..the other 15% is in the petrol class.

[N I B]

In Circuit Racing its treated as Petrol not the same as Methanol.

[Butters]

Things are looking on the up and up for Ethanol

--> http://www.itwire.com/science-news/energy/...anol-from-waste

Just need to be allowed to use it still !!

[3LGODZILA]

#218

[2rismo]

Stay tuned for an E85 development with ANDRA sooner rather than later.

[NXTIME]

Just saw this thread.

"You are signer #227"

[Swiper the Fox]

Stay tuned for an E85 development with ANDRA sooner rather than later.

my breath is still held.

[NXTIME]

you're turning blue....