Hoon Laws Revamped?

[alr33x]

Get a loan for your car with the slowest repayments possible, that way they you only loose the amount you have paid off the loan!

get a big fk off loan secured against the car

[waxracing]

Yup if they want to crush my car they will have a chase on there hands and they will end up with a shell to crush.

[vspecIInur]

Awesome, more fancy crap, won't change nothing....if anything, making it worse. They focus far too much on revenue and this shit but the road toll is breaking records for being higher than ever....

[MUZT3K]

someone mentioned it on the first page..i too would also like to know, once you get caught 3 times does it reset..

[Birds]

Depends if the hoon offence is attached to your car or your licence...I'm guessing the licence, or people would just sell the car after two strikes...

If that's true then on the 4th strike you'll probably lose your second car and be looking at some serious licence suspension time / fines or maybe jail?

[bluejeans]

on 4th you get asked to be f1 driver

[bozodos]

hahaha way to encourage more cop chases, third strike, well you know the cars going to be crushed, you're going to be f**ked anyway, so who cares!?

nice to see VicPol being reactive instead of proactive lol

[MUZT3K]

hahaha way to encourage more cop chases, third strike, well you know the cars going to be crushed, you're going to be f**ked anyway, so who cares!?

nice to see VicPol being reactive instead of proactive lol

reason why i ask is..if your on 2 strikes..you can just buy a shitty car, rip a burnout in front of the cop get that crushed..then it resets..

but birds is probably right on that..but would like someone to confirm.

p.s..im already an f1 driver bluejeans

[bluejeans]

i know!

but u get god status like senna!

[Peter89]

reason why i ask is..if your on 2 strikes..you can just buy a shitty car, rip a burnout in front of the cop get that crushed..then it resets..

but birds is probably right on that..but would like someone to confirm.

p.s..im already an f1 driver bluejeans

impounds don't reset. they stay on your record for 3 years (at the moment but might increase).

if you get your 3rd impounded, you will be going to court and you will likely lose your license for at least a year but probably more. so, it really wouldn't matter if the shit car is crushed because you wouldn't be able to drive for ages.

dont forget, the first 2 offenses would have seen a long loss of license as well. the only way to reduce your strikes is to wait the 3 years.

[Basti]

prediction: give it two years, and we'll be crushing mobile phones. to teach those hoons a lesson

[NO-GTR]

pritty much gives those guys that drive like hoons to buy a 3 grand P.O.S car and go nuts. and these cars are alot worse to be crashing in. and if you lose ur car who cares. un reg'd 3k 180sx for the crusher (FTC) lol

[Wheezy]

Awesome, more fancy crap, won't change nothing....if anything, making it worse. They focus far too much on revenue and this shit but the road toll is breaking records for being higher than ever....

Might want to check the actual statistics

[Serg]

prediction is people that get there cars impounded will just get a family member or a mate to buy it back if it doesnt get crushed... Or if you saw u got flashed doing more the 45km/h, you will have around 28days before the cops knock on your door to pick it up so you might just sell it and say you had no idea... So many dodgy ways to get around...

But, If this makes it to victoria

http://www.news.com.au/national/new-speed-...i-1225890292548

you wont even see a flash... and if they claim this is to make roads safer, someone shoot me...

[SABBAi]

This line here shows who they really need to target.....

Almost half of the cars are Holdens, with St Albans the most common suburb.

Anyone suprised by that?

[funkymonkey]

so what they're saying is that Muzza's are a bigger menace than Bogans?

woah. my mind just got blown.

[seattle_circuit]

Pretty lame policy, just a media stunt.

The sort of people who get caught 3x for hoon driving don't care, they drive disposable shitters anyway.

[GTRPowa]

Quote: "Cars set to be crushed will be stripped of parts, which will be sold, and the shell will be put in a compactor."

That's utter BS because we all saw that fully sick red front grille. It was _NOT_ removed from the vehicle before it was crushed.

[Phatboy]

Hoon cop at 172 km/h

It was this guy's car

[Taso84]

Application of the hoon laws is another example of flawed policy by both govt and police who designed the laws. It once again shows that when it comes to human resources, the govt and govt departments really do scrape the barrel in terms of the quality of talent they attract.

O.k. I get it, they want to take away what hoons regard as their most treasured asset - their car... i get it, but in just 5 minutes I can think up of a better plan/strategy/law than they thought up after however many months this was in the planning for.

1) Why are hoon laws fundamentally flawed?

- Bascially because they are a form of uncapped in effect mandatory penalty imposed on lawbreakers that in many cases will be a punishment whose severity far outweighs the original crime.

- Imagine a very real scanario where an individual driving a vehicle valused at approx. $50K on his 2nd impound strike has just been observed commitiing a hoon offence and is being hailed to pull over by a police officer. Given the likely punishment for this offence will be at least $50K for the offender, there is a very real and likely scenario that the offender will attempt to outrun the police - at pretty much any cost to both his own and the public's safety. Given that we know there are people in our society who will commit much more serious offences for much less than $50K of monetry gain, (armed robbery, contract killings, etc) the prospect of dangerous police pursuits is very real.

2) What the hoon laws should look like if they were to designed properly:

- On the 3rd strike, the offender will have to face court on answer to charges. If found guilty, the Judge, after taking into account the severity of the offence as well as the offenders priors, will impose a fine/penalty that is fitting.

- As part of this penalty, under the 3rd strike, the police force is to take ownership of the offenders vehicle and the vehicle is to be sold at auction regardless of its condition. The proceeds of this auction is to be used to pay the fines imposed by the court. Any moneys left over is to be returned to the offender. Any shortfall is to be paid by the offender.

I personally find what they are currently doing unconstitutional. We have courts for a reason. Judges are the qualified individuals to impose penalties on offenders. Under my system this would happen. Under the current system, there is floor to what the penalty is that discrimates against people with higher value cars.

Edited July 29, 2010 by Taso84