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+1 for in particular on a rb25 with a 3076 compared to a gtx3076 really need to see if there are benifets after talking about them for a while.

I've been advised that a gtx3071 .7 front .73 rear with 4" inlet is the way to go.

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Polished up pretty good if I do say so myself [emoji4]

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Who gives a toss how it looks if it meets the performace criteria. I hope they wax garretts arse to the point where garrett actually starts doing some real r&d and giving customers something bette

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The GTX3584RS will support roughly 850-880HP on a 3.0L (maximum rpm of ~7500-8000) at a PR of about 3.1-3.3 No chance of getting 1000HP out of it, not unless it can be done at a PR of 2.75 and even th

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GTScotT Grand Master

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I've been advised that a gtx3071 .7 front .73 rear with 4" inlet is the way to go.

You have been advised wrong mate. That is guess work as it is well known the AVO housing does not have any solid results to back it up. It is also known that the said housing is made for the stock turbo and you will need to have it milled to suit the GT30 core.

Therefore you may expect results somewhat close to what you would get with an OP6 housing on the back of your turbo, AKA f**king terrible. The OP6 wont flow what your going to ask of it and wont hold boost properly, so I do not anticipate the AVO will be much better.

If you are serious, get a GTX3071 with whatever front it bloody comes with and the genuine garrett .82IW rear housing. That is the only way to go if you want it to be internally gated.

Now enough broken record questions and go buy a turbo.

ShiftyTys Rising Star

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You have been advised wrong mate. That is guess work as it is well known the AVO housing does not have any solid results to back it up. It is also known that the said housing is made for the stock turbo and you will need to have it milled to suit the GT30 core.

Therefore you may expect results somewhat close to what you would get with an OP6 housing on the back of your turbo, AKA f**king terrible. The OP6 wont flow what your going to ask of it and wont hold boost properly, so I do not anticipate the AVO will be much better.

If you are serious, get a GTX3071 with whatever front it bloody comes with and the genuine garrett .82IW rear housing. That is the only way to go if you want it to be internally gated.

Now enough broken record questions and go buy a turbo.

Can you point me to some information I can look at that proves:

"it is well known the AVO housing does not have any solid results to back it up"

Also isn't:

"so I do not anticipate the AVO will be much better"

.... Guesswork in itself? I have been advised for that setup (amongst many options) and was justified as to why.

So back to my first point. Please point me in the right direction justifying: "it is well known the AVO housing does not have any solid results to back it up"

Cheers.

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wolverine Grand Master

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The turbine wheels were designed with a garrett housing so you are compromising turbine flow. If you are determined to go this way then post up the results as soon as you are done.

The good news is it will bolt on to the factory dump pipe.

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well been reading through info on these new turbos and only dyno results i have found say they aren't much better than the old gt series

so now im left with what turbo do i want to buy it will be going on my rb26/30 i am currently building hopin for close to 600awhp

should i just go a gt35 or gtx35 or will i need to go gt40 its so bloody confusing reading all this dont want to much lag although anything would be better than the t04r i used to have didnt hit full boost untill 5.5K lol

thinking of trying out the gtx3582r but dunno if its worth it???

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well been reading through info on these new turbos and only dyno results i have found say they aren't much better than the old gt series

so now im left with what turbo do i want to buy it will be going on my rb26/30 i am currently building hopin for close to 600awhp

should i just go a gt35 or gtx35 or will i need to go gt40 its so bloody confusing reading all this dont want to much lag although anything would be better than the t04r i used to have didnt hit full boost untill 5.5K lol

thinking of trying out the gtx3582r but dunno if its worth it???

im in the same boat as you mate,

i already brought a GT35 T3 1.06 abouth 8 months ago, im running my rb30 on e85 so ive been told i should crack the 400rwkw mark

anyways if i was you i would look at the efr borg warner series..

and sit back for a few weeks a compair results from each turbo etc...

GTScotT Grand Master

GTScotT

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Can you point me to some information I can look at that proves:

"it is well known the AVO housing does not have any solid results to back it up"

Also isn't:

"so I do not anticipate the AVO will be much better"

.... Guesswork in itself? I have been advised for that setup (amongst many options) and was justified as to why.

So back to my first point. Please point me in the right direction justifying: "it is well known the AVO housing does not have any solid results to back it up"

Cheers.

Let me make things simpler. When I say, does not have ANY, that means you will not find ANY. There are no results from an AVO housing. No results = $700 risk, and yes that is how much they cost.

On the other hand, its about half that for the garrett item that is proven to work.

Your cash, your call, either way I wont be 'justifying' anything.

GL.

ShiftyTys Rising Star

ShiftyTys

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Let me make things simpler. When I say, does not have ANY, that means you will not find ANY. There are no results from an AVO housing. No results = $700 risk, and yes that is how much they cost.

On the other hand, its about half that for the garrett item that is proven to work.

Your cash, your call, either way I wont be 'justifying' anything.

GL.

Don't make a statement you can't justify or back up. It wastes the time of people who are after informed and educated answers.

It also puts a negative spin on someones product with no proof.

GTScotT Grand Master

GTScotT

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What is to justify? I said its a gamble as there are no results.

Plain and simple. No results to JUSTIFY buying it.

Facts are, its made for the stock turbo and not for a GT30. You will need to machine it to fit the GT30 core. The AR is relevant to the tiny stock turbo. The wastegate port will be sized to suit the stock turbo. It costs $700. Noone has seen one work or do a good job with the same GT30.

More facts: the garrett .82IW housing is proven to work. It will cost you half of the AVO housing and will not need to be modified to fit. It is designed to work with the turbo you want to use. It can hold the boost you will want to run. It can flow the power the turbo is capable of making.

If you want to argue the point further, please see the hypergear thread.

wolverine Grand Master

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There are a few AVO housing results around if you search but most don't make the most of the compressors potential from what I have seen with the exception of one outlying high result.

Pretty much this subject has been covered a few times over the years and most people are going to suggest the native housing for the turbine for best results.

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What is to justify? I said its a gamble as there are no results.

Plain and simple. No results to JUSTIFY buying it.

Facts are, its made for the stock turbo and not for a GT30. You will need to machine it to fit the GT30 core. The AR is relevant to the tiny stock turbo. The wastegate port will be sized to suit the stock turbo. It costs $700. Noone has seen one work or do a good job with the same GT30.

More facts: the garrett .82IW housing is proven to work. It will cost you half of the AVO housing and will not need to be modified to fit. It is designed to work with the turbo you want to use. It can hold the boost you will want to run. It can flow the power the turbo is capable of making.

If you want to argue the point further, please see the hypergear thread.

+1 :thumbsup:

Don't make a statement you can't justify or back up. It wastes the time of people who are after informed and educated answers.

It also puts a negative spin on someones product with no proof.

It's quite simple.

AVO housing is not Garrett housing. There have been a number of results posted over the years that clearly show that butchered/Non-Garrett housings simply DO NOT WORK regardless of the claims.

By all means go and buy a rear housing that is too restrictive & have plenty of issues with it. All the while wondering why it wont perform.

You came here asking for advice, you were given it. If you don't think it's accurate and want believe the people trying to make a profit, then go for it. No one here is going to be wasting their money - only you.

NYTSKY Grand Master

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Yea that's what I'm thinking haha so much to choose from yea I had a quick read about them before will wait for results .build won't be don't for a few weeks yet anyway is a .82 capable of 400awkw?

I made 427rwkw at 26psi.

ShiftyTys Rising Star

ShiftyTys

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+1 :thumbsup:

It's quite simple.

AVO housing is not Garrett housing. There have been a number of results posted over the years that clearly show that butchered/Non-Garrett housings simply DO NOT WORK regardless of the claims.

By all means go and buy a rear housing that is too restrictive & have plenty of issues with it. All the while wondering why it wont perform.

You came here asking for advice, you were given it. If you don't think it's accurate and want believe the people trying to make a profit, then go for it. No one here is going to be wasting their money - only you.

I need proof. I don't just listen and agree. Can't anyone point me in the direction of facts? A thread perhaps? I've done a search for well over an hour and found nothing negative. In fact I pmd a user with and Avo .73 on his gt3076r (pretty much same as gtx3071r) and he loves it.

He described how the power came on and when because he own one. No one else here can tell me the negatives to such detail. Just "it's not original garrette. It won't be as good".

That's not good enough in my book. "not tested enough to know an answer" etc is fair enough however.

Lithium Grand Master

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I need proof. I don't just listen and agree. Can't anyone point me in the direction of facts? A thread perhaps? I've done a search for well over an hour and found nothing negative. In fact I pmd a user with and Avo .73 on his gt3076r (pretty much same as gtx3071r) and he loves it.

Lets put it a more logical way - why do you want to go with the Avo .73a/r housing when there is a housing option which is proven to get the most out of the GT3076R which comes with the turbo? For all I can tell you want to do it just because, because there is no logical reason I can think of. The turbo comes with the Garrett housing, its easy to get a dump pipe made up for it, and most importantly you KNOW its going to work.

Not saying the Avo housing won't - but why take the more difficult and expensive option when there is a known quantity? It doesn't make sense to me.

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