New Performance Cars

[Grey]

What's equivalent to the old 1998-2002 GT-T or GTR skylines nowadays where you get bang-for-buck performance? That's not for 200,000 dollars or for a super-car? A car that is able to be built up and not bought? Something for like 60,000 dollars where mods are not so restrictive? Also a car that can retain the feeling of a RWD / AWD and manual transmission. How about the nissan 370Z? What is a car that has heaps of street credit? Or is there no such thing these days?

[N1GTR]

Nothing.

So many "performance" cars are FWD these days and NA.

It would be nice if a manufacturer made a rwd turbo 4/6cyl and sold locally. Like a new supra or 200sx version for example.

[Iron Chef]

The equivalent to an R34 GT-R these days is....an R35 GT-R. When they were new, there wasn't a huge difference between them price wise, hell even the R32 GT-R was $110K when it was sold here new back in 1991.

The FT-86 is the best thing to come along for cheap RWD performance in a long long time. Pity Hyundai chose not to make the Genesis in RHD...

Edited July 6, 2011 by Iron Chef

[scathing]

Not much new in that class, but there's a few used cars that would fit the bill. Even the 370Z is going to be short on available mods right now, and it's not that quick by modern standards.

If you're talking a GTT type car, its hard to go past the XR6T (or F6) though.

The BMW 1 Series M looks like a fantastic buy if you can stump up the $100K.

[R31Nismoid]

XR6 is the bang for buck king at the moment.

Same as the VL turbo was 6-10yrs ago.

Cost vs gain, can't be beat. Just don'texpect to go round corners.

If you want corners, EVO VIII-IX

[cannabiscorpse]

Obviously they handle like shit stock (xr6t) but has anyone driven/been in one with a decent suspension/brake package? Just wondering if their is anyway they can be built without spending a mint so they can keep up around a track.

[Mayuri Krab]

+1 to the XR6T (or older F6) for bang for the buck performance with good aftermarket parts support.

Sadly most Jap car manufactures all have seem to have head to the way of Toyota at making A-B eco boxes only these days with 0 aftermarket support.

[Cowboy1600]

Obviously they handle like shit stock (xr6t) but has anyone driven/been in one with a decent suspension/brake package? Just wondering if their is anyway they can be built without spending a mint so they can keep up around a track.

Who, apart from Nismoid, said they handle like shit? My friends BA XR8 does an admirable job at slinging through corners at a furious rate. And it's 100% stock apart from a set of Sportmax GT 600s.

I'd say anyone suggesting that XRs don't handle are speaking from a point of sheer ignorance. Sure, there are better handling cars (well, duuuuuur), but skylines aren't entirely lithe until they get the suspension fettled a little.

[sneakey pete]

The BMW 1 Series M looks like a fantastic buy if you can stump up the $100K.

That expensive here? jesus christ.

[iseekool]

The equivalent to an R34 GT-R these days is....an R35 GT-R. When they were new, there wasn't a huge difference between them price wise, hell even the R32 GT-R was $110K when it was sold here new back in 1991.

The FT-86 is the best thing to come along for cheap RWD performance in a long long time. Pity Hyundai chose not to make the Genesis in RHD...

Read in the newspaper that Hyundai will be releasing an equivalent soon. But even then its a "Hyundai" - I don't know much about them in terms of hi-po stuff. More as an affordable A-B brand.

[iseekool]

Only thing that springs to mind for AWD, turbo with lots of aftermarket stuff, that you can get brand new at a "reasonable" price is an EVO X or to a lesser extent WRX STI.

RWD would have to be the XR6 turbo or entry level Holden VE SS. Lots of aftermarket bits.

[(OO)SKYLINE(OO)]

XR6 is the bang for buck king at the moment.

Same as the VL turbo was 6-10yrs ago.

Cost vs gain, can't be beat. Just don'texpect to go round corners.

If you want corners, EVO VIII-IX

That's it, EVO!

Or the 370Z, but since I prefer the old-school Zeds, I'd jump to the EVO.

Or save the coin up for a R35 GTR.

[djvoodoo]

Who, apart from Nismoid, said they handle like shit? My friends BA XR8 does an admirable job at slinging through corners at a furious rate. And it's 100% stock apart from a set of Sportmax GT 600s.

I'd say anyone suggesting that XRs don't handle are speaking from a point of sheer ignorance. Sure, there are better handling cars (well, duuuuuur), but skylines aren't entirely lithe until they get the suspension fettled a little.

I've driven my mates BF XR6 from Perisher back to Sydney, and to be honest, when you get in the drivers seat you feel detached from the driving experience, I actually felt nervous going around highway bends at 110km/h. They are big heavy cars that need some assistance when cornering and the power assisted steering is laggy and non responsive at times. Sure they go alright in a straight line and when suspension mods are done, but it's still not the same as a nimble 2dr / 4dr sports saloon similar to the comparisons in this thread.

[HEKT1K]

I've driven my mates BF XR6 from Perisher back to Sydney, and to be honest, when you get in the drivers seat you feel detached from the driving experience, I actually felt nervous going around highway bends at 110km/h. They are big heavy cars that need some assistance when cornering and the power assisted steering is laggy and non responsive at times. Sure they go alright in a straight line and when suspension mods are done, but it's still not the same as a nimble 2dr / 4dr sports saloon similar to the comparisons in this thread.

I would agree, one of my best mates has a BF XR8 that I've driven plenty of times, steering response is woeful and you are at all times very aware of how heavy the thing is. So no "sheer ignorance" here, sure my R33 isn't the BEST handling car around, but it's a hell of a lot better than an 1800kg Falcon.

[warps]

Yet a stock XR6T would hose a "mildly modded[1]" GTSt around a track. Go figure?

C'mon fanbois. Just because it feels different to what you're used to doesn't make it bad.

Nervous going around highway bends at 110? Nothing wrong with the car, mate. You need some man pills.

I've racked up 30,000 km in probably 50 different XR6's over the last few years, and I can't say any of them have felt sloppy or sluggish handling-wise. They may not be hard core track weapons, but their handling is far from what I'd consider "sloppy"

[1] I assume we're talking about basic mods - suspension upgrade with a bit of engine work, not a full targa spec Skyline in which case it's a pretty pointless comparison.

[HEKT1K]

Yet a stock XR6T would hose a "mildly modded[1]" GTSt around a track. Go figure?

C'mon fanbois. Just because it feels different to what you're used to doesn't make it bad.

"Hose" a gtst around a track? Show me please.

Large amounts of body roll and poor steering response is different from what I usually experience in my car, but it's not bad? Lay off the drugs pal

[PSI-FED]

warps speaks the truth.

Having just got a new xr6t daily its fast becoming one of my favourite cars ive owned. Cant imagine how fun it would be with mild mods with 300rwkw and 600nm+ of tyre frying torque =p the thing smokes up the rears mid corners with ease with just abit of throttle as it is !

[cannabiscorpse]

Who, apart from Nismoid, said they handle like shit? My friends BA XR8 does an admirable job at slinging through corners at a furious rate. And it's 100% stock apart from a set of Sportmax GT 600s.

I'd say anyone suggesting that XRs don't handle are speaking from a point of sheer ignorance. Sure, there are better handling cars (well, duuuuuur), but skylines aren't entirely lithe until they get the suspension fettled a little.

Im aware that they are decent on the street mate. You have missed my point all together. The falcon is a heavy family taxi, and i was asking if anyone has modded it so they can keep up around a TRACK with the other sporty type cars being mentioned- Evo's etc. Im not some biased fanboy of either holden or ford, so yes i realize both cars offer decent packages to enjoy your driving experience on the street, however i just think that the weight disadvantage puts them behind for the track, and was simply interested if anyone with actual experience had something to say.

Edit- I posted a video in the wastland video thread for anyone interested in the gtst/gtt vs xr6t debate. Its the only one ive ever seen

Edited July 7, 2011 by cannabiscorpse

[drunkn snail]

i was thinking about this the other day. what happened to all our silvia's, rx-7's, supras. they all just stopped at once with nothing to replace them.

although has anyone thought about an rx8, there pretty cheap and could go alright i rekon

[djvoodoo]

Ok, so standard vs standard the falcon wins.... Basic upgrades, Skyline is better $ for $