R33 Gtst Vs Ford Xr6 Turbo Bf Model

[adamss]

Which car is faster? I know the ford has more kw but is much heavier? I also heard the ford is easier to get power from.

Also my mate has one and wants to have a go against my gtst.

I don't have much on it, but here it is.

Front mount intercooler.

3inch exhaust piping (also noob question, when piping is all the way through does the stock cat still stay of aftermarket one replaces it. I can't tell if its stock or not. Or even if I have one, sorry not good with car mod details.)

K&N pod filter ( not sure if its part of an air jntake shstem or whatever I think the attached parts are stock.)

Atm turbos not boosted. Stock 7.

His car has air intake system and exhaust piping.

[ARTZ]

Too many variables..

like who is the best driver

race him and report back preferably with utube footage

[FordyR31]

From personal experience, I have an HR31 GTSX with a 25 and a new FG MarkII XR6T. As far as the engines go its a no brainer. The 4L does it so much easier. The car I test drive I gave a bit to for one hit and the things just go. It was auto, mine is manual and the thing hasnt seen half throttle yet. Its not so much the power difference but the torque is awesome for a stock car on I think 5psi. The 31 with some mods on 14psi has about the same rwkw as the stock xr6t but is lighter. The ford doesnt feel like a 1710kg car tho. Older versions have less power (240 kw) but your comparing a mid teenage car with a 2.5L to a car less than 10years old with a 4L. If your looking to mod think of it this way. Your exhaust, FMIC, intake, boost, fuel pump and injectors with a tune in a 33 will net you anywhere between 220-270rwkw with a hi flow turbo pending parts tune and how much your engine can take and u want to push. The ford with those mods minus the expense of the turbo will net you between 290-320rwkw and even more torque again.

I'd expect the XR6 to win

Edited April 21, 2013 by FordyR31

[mad082]

+1 for the xr6

[dyl33]

XR6t +2

But it's still a Ford Falcon so they lose in the end

[ARTZ]

you guys got no idea....With 11psi and an exhaust I had no problems dusting off xr6t foulcans...add a few corners to the mix and the skyline is an easy winner..

Better yet run a 20 yr old skyline against a 20yr old ford and see who wins

[Malakai]

The extra power of the Falcon will hand it the win for sure.

Also are there going to be any corners in this race? Because if there are the Falcon will still pwn the GTST, You would be surprised what an extra 10+ years of suspension development has done to newer cars.

[ARTZ]

Dreamboats...

[mad082]

you guys got no idea....With 11psi and an exhaust I had no problems dusting off xr6t foulcans...add a few corners to the mix and the skyline is an easy winner..

Better yet run a 20 yr old skyline against a 20yr old ford and see who wins

it doesn't count if they aren't racing you, lol.

[Humbla]

Stock low boost ford has no chance against a boosted rb 25.

[FordyR31]

Did some people ignore my post? I dont know any mildly modded 33's making 220+rwkw at 11psi. The BF Mark II especially had a pretty good change in the suspension area. My HR is lighter than a 33 and with the GT3076r and supporting mods on 14psi will probably keep up with the standard XR6T. Your comparing a car more modded than the original posters to a completely standard car. I read the original 33 in this post had stock boost aswell as mods listed and the xr6 had intake and exhaust mods. With those details in mind in the original post the original question can be answered not the "yeah but if it had this done" question.

Sorry to sound like an arse.

Edited April 21, 2013 by FordyR31

[ARTZ]

it doesn't count if they aren't racing you, lol.

u calling me a liar?

[r32-25t]

Mild modded xr6t v mildly modded gtst, falcon will kill it

[mad082]

u calling me a liar?

I've called you worse

[ARTZ]

R33 fo life...you're all homos...i hate you all

[GTR-N1]

Every school hols this comes up

[MBS206]

Stock low boost ford has no chance against a boosted rb 25.

Sorry Genelle, but No.

A skyline with FMIC, full 3" exhaust and extra boost will get hosed by a stock XR6T, especially if its an FG.

I have an FG, completely stock except for heavy as f**k 19" rims, cheap ass rear tyres, bodged the launch, and still ran a 13.005...

Rolling runs from 70KM/H no way will the 33 keep up...

Not to mention, change just the dump pipe on an R33 and tune it to suit (If you don't retune they won't really run as the ECU is very finicky) and you're now easily running flat 12s.

There is actually an FG dead stock running 12.2 down the quarter. Completely and utterly stock.

On the roll, especially with an auto, they're freaking QUICK cars. Punt it into a turn, sorry to say, but a fresh redo of the suspension (To standard) in an R33 will also get hosed by an XR6T, especially if you add water into the mix.

It's surprising how quick they are, even more so when you make all things equal.

As to the OP in question, I wouldn't bother wasting your fuel against him. You will lose unless he's a dunder clump that can't drive...

[MBS206]

From personal experience, I have an HR31 GTSX with a 25 and a new FG MarkII XR6T. As far as the engines go its a no brainer. The 4L does it so much easier. The car I test drive I gave a bit to for one hit and the things just go. It was auto, mine is manual and the thing hasnt seen half throttle yet. Its not so much the power difference but the torque is awesome for a stock car on I think 5psi. The 31 with some mods on 14psi has about the same rwkw as the stock xr6t but is lighter. The ford doesnt feel like a 1710kg car tho. Older versions have less power (240 kw) but your comparing a mid teenage car with a 2.5L to a car less than 10years old with a 4L. If your looking to mod think of it this way. Your exhaust, FMIC, intake, boost, fuel pump and injectors with a tune in a 33 will net you anywhere between 220-270rwkw with a hi flow turbo pending parts tune and how much your engine can take and u want to push. The ford with those mods minus the expense of the turbo will net you between 290-320rwkw and even more torque again.

I'd expect the XR6 to win

FG XR6T runs 10PSi of boost, except under "Overtake" conditions, at which point it will run 11PSi, oh, and you'll know when you reach over take conditions, an extra 10% boost on the 4L is a lot more air flow.

BA and BF run 6PSi.

IIRC the Typhoon runs 12 or 13PSi standard.

Also to all of you comparing power, think of it this way, the XR6T redlines at just on 6Grand, standard making peak power at 5500RPM...

Convert your torque levels and the 4L is putting down roughly 20% more torque... And that is what wins a race.

Not to mention, when stock, an FG is making 553NM of torque at 2500RPM and holds that power flat to 5500RPM...

[Basti]

a dunder clump

a what now?

[FordyR31]

The figures I read must have been old then, explains some of the 30KW gain from a slightly smaller turbo between the BF and FG. Im trying to look after this car so wont be reaching this overtake mode for a while, im interested to know more about it. Also Launch control wont get a workout.