Formula One 2014

[tweety bird]

Sigh..

[hrd-hr30]

Why is this still unresolved? Almost at two weeks later ffs.

It's not unresolved. It's just that RBR didn't like the resolution.

But RBR have been testing meters under FIA observation in the meantime, and have "acquired a number of new fuel flow sensors and will work with the FIA during the (Malaysian GP) weekend to find one that is accurate to the satisfaction of both sides."

They're less likely to do it again this weekend because they have no real hope of keeping the Mercedes powered cars behind them on these long straights unless Renault has made big gains in their engine POWER spec - oops did I say power? I meant reliability - because those are the only changes allowed now, for improved reliability. yeah right... whereas in Aus it was worth the risk because it is a difficult track to pass on.

Edited March 28, 2014 by hrd-hr30

[djr81]

Not sure which side I am on in this. Maybe they are both right.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/sebastian-vettel/10728029/Sebastian-Vettel-fuels-row-over-lack-of-noise-from-F1s-new-engines-as-Jenson-Button-says-we-can-hear-fans-now.html

[wolverine]

But RBR have been testing meters under FIA observation in the meantime, and have "acquired a number of new fuel flow sensors and will work with the FIA during the (Malaysian GP) weekend to find one that is accurate to the satisfaction of both sides."

Slightly worrying that the sensors need to be tested on the car to find an accurate/acceptable one.

[djr81]

Slightly worrying that the sensors need to be tested on the car to find an accurate/acceptable one.

They are all tested then an offset applied (eg its 2% over reading or under reading or whatever) and then used. It is easy to say it should be perfect but nothing in this world ever is.

[hrd-hr30]

They are all tested then an offset applied (eg its 2% over reading or under reading or whatever) and then used. It is easy to say it should be perfect but nothing in this world ever is.

The sensor manufacturer says "52 per cent of its meters are with a 0.1 per cent accuracy reading, with 92 per cent within 0.25 per cent". As you say the offset is applied to level them out, so all cars can use the same mass fuel flow.

"the teams have accepted that when they are alerted to the possibility the sensor could exceed the 100kg per hour rate at peak flow, irrespective of what their own data says, they have to peg back their rate slightly to ensure there is no breach of the rules." Well, every team except one that decided to ignore it and the FIA when fighting for position with a more powerful car...

(quotes from http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112973)

Edited March 28, 2014 by hrd-hr30

[djr81]

So how many % did the FIA say the Red Bull flow meter was out on Sunday? (As opposed to Friday)

[hrd-hr30]

i haven't seen anyone say anything that specific. Doesn't really matter anyway - it would have been corrected back to the same flow as everyone else.

Edited March 28, 2014 by hrd-hr30

[djr81]

Well it does because if it was a bullshit number you can understand why they reacted in the way they did.

EG:
FIA: "We now want you to reduce your fuel flow by 5%"

RB: "It was 0.2% on Friday your numbers are clearly rubbish. Get stuffed."

FIA: "Resistance is useless" etc etc*

* Yes I am likening the FIA to the Vogons.

Edited March 28, 2014 by djr81

[a31rb25]

some pics making it around the defence network

[MatthewT85]

looks like lotus is up shit creek again....

[tweety bird]

Yep...

Dan not doing so well here it seems.

[zebra]

Looks like its about to get a hand job

[mad082]

Reminds me of an old dust buster....

[MatthewT85]

Looks like its about to get a hand job

gonna need two hands for that one

[tweety bird]

Reminds me of an old dust buster....

Old school.

[hrd-hr30]

Well it does because if it was a bullshit number you can understand why they reacted in the way they did.

EG:

FIA: "We now want you to reduce your fuel flow by 5%"

RB: "It was 0.2% on Friday your numbers are clearly rubbish. Get stuffed."

FIA: "Resistance is useless" etc etc*

* Yes I am likening the FIA to the Vogons.

everyone was in the same boat. Other teams adjusted their fuel flow during the race according to what the FIA were seeing from the sensor. Some even chose to run well below the sensor indicated maximum flow to make sure they didn't exceed it. Only one car refused to play by the same rules and the same calibrated/corrected meter everyone was using. .

Edited March 28, 2014 by hrd-hr30

[Roy]

Half expect RBR are willing to fall on the sword early and bring the BS out in the open. I hear what you are saying about others obeying...but for all we know RBR may have been the worst example being asked to forfeit 4% power vs lesser amounts for others cars.

It matters little, the fact that many cars were all winding back performance, likely to all differing levels then why even have qualifying or practice sessions. Just have a raffle and fit random flow meters to the cars and watch them jockey for position in a race as the FIA tell them to slow down or allow them to speed up all on different levels ...retarded.

I am no fan of RBR...but good on them for busing balls over this now and hopefully we will avoid the farce of inaccurate instruments hurting a percentage of th efields performance over a race weekend, because....lotter dip of erroneous sensors says so

[89CAL]

Kimi has made a great improvement in the Ferrari. Mercedes having tyre wear worries

Might be an interesting weekend after all

[MatthewT85]

Kimi has made a great improvement in the Ferrari. Mercedes having tyre wear worries

Might be an interesting weekend after all

yeah looks like it was more than just the new braking system....

but it sounded like he was having tyre issues on the long run too wasnt he?

hopefully the ferraris can take it to the mercs!!!