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Green flag there is 100% fine. It is after the accident/hazard indicating the hazard is over and the track ahead is clear.

I think its actually a yellow flag now that I've looked at a couple of other news articles. Must just be something that happened when it was turned into a GIF. You can see that it is yellow in another photo. Or perhaps it was changed to yellow after the crash

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Roy
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Tragic isnt it

djr81
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Hoping he can do for 888 what he did for Williams & McLaren.

ctjet
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daaaaaaaaaaaymn hitting that tonight aswell? joises

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Just need to deploy the safety car in the wet when the recovery vehicle is out. Double waved yellows is not enough.

Yeh, but then they will try to re-order the grid and what should be a 1-2 lap thing will turn into 6-8 laps. Tyres and brakes cool off. Cars stack up. Standing water increases as cars are not driving at speed....and on restart they all pile into each other :)

I cant believe there cant be a white line at each flag point and when recovery vehicles are on track then the speed is reduced at these points just like in the pits. Make it 120km/h whatever.

Drivers pressing under yellows to bridge a few tenths is just as common when the safety car is out. Hell i recall cars dropping it on track when safety car is out.

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It was a massive impact. He was going properly fast when he left the track. It definitely brings into question the whole thing of just having to lift off through the flags. maybe they need to introduce some sort of speed limiter in the same way that a pit lane limiter works, and the driver must activate it for the duration of the sector that the flag is in until such time as they join the queue behind the safety car. This is better than just bringing the safety car out as the drivers still fly through sectors with double yellows until they catch up with the safety car. This could also be used for cars that have pitted from behind the safety car.

I think it's going to be a while before we find out if he's actually ok, or just on the same sort of level of "ok" as Schumacher (awake and out of hospital but a vegetable)

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whilst i agree with the pitlane idea, i think the problem will then be, how many flagposts are there? cause you then need a radar gun at each point... although i guess they could use unmanned ones couldnt they?

i kinda answered my own question as i typed...

sh@un Grand Master

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There's amateur video of the impact that shows Jules's car actually lifts the back of the JCB as he continues through under it. Very big hit, and you'd almost be certain it was a fatality if you weren't told otherwise.

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I read up on it too. Frankly, I think it would be a great result if he isn't in a permanently vegetative state. Remember at the moment, as far as we know, he isn't breathing by himself, and his brain is smushed. Heart breaking as it is, I think the family isn't past the point where they will have to decide if they flick the switch or not.

At least he has the best medical professionals money can buy, and is fortunate enough for the crash to have happened in a very developed country. Imagine if it had happened in some of the less developed locations?

Forza Jules.

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Yeh, but then they will try to re-order the grid and what should be a 1-2 lap thing will turn into 6-8 laps. Tyres and brakes cool off. Cars stack up. Standing water increases as cars are not driving at speed....and on restart they all pile into each other :)

I cant believe there cant be a white line at each flag point and when recovery vehicles are on track then the speed is reduced at these points just like in the pits. Make it 120km/h whatever.

Drivers pressing under yellows to bridge a few tenths is just as common when the safety car is out. Hell i recall cars dropping it on track when safety car is out.

Maybe. Maybe they could just restrain themselves and stop trying to reorder the grid. With all the fake overtaking and blue flags it isn't the problem it used to be.

Guess the point is the forks shouldn't be out recovering cars when people are pressing on in the wet. The difference being how you treat things in the wet and the dry as if its dry you have atleast some chance of influencing the outcome of where you crash.

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the simple fix is to enforce the existing rules. Double waved yellows mean there's a severe hazard ahead and you should slow down and be prepared to take evasive action or even stop! All they need to do is enforce a speed limit for sectors under yellow & double waved yellow. Problem solved. You don't want SC every time a car's in the fence.

djr81 Grand Master

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the simple fix is to enforce the existing rules. Double waved yellows mean there's a severe hazard ahead and you should slow down and be prepared to take evasive action or even stop! All they need to do is enforce a speed limit for sectors under yellow & double waved yellow. Problem solved. You don't want SC every time a car's in the fence.

Well I would argue if its wet and some one is in the fence and you need to recover it with a forklift you do need a safety car.

Besides what constitutes slow is arguable. You would know you self that knocking 10km/h off your corner speed feels massively slower to the driver than it really is. Given the down force shed by going slower it doesn't necessarily make it safer. Bianchi's accident would have been catastrophic at most speeds.

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