Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

Hey All,

Thought some people may be interested in analysis conducted by tradeuniquecars.com.au. Looks like they do a yearly market analysis on classic cars, and have been tracking the value of used skylines.

Its seems 2018/2019 prices remained flat and now there has been a significant uptick in value for some skylines (non GTR)

2018 - https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/buyers-guide/1807/nissan-skyline-1990-99-–-2018-market-review

2019 - https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/buyers-guide/1906/nissan-skyline-1990-to-1999-2019-market-review

2020 - https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/buyers-guide/2006/nissan-skyline-1990-to-1999-2020-market-review

For example and R34 GT-T Coupe was

2018 - $20,285

2019 - $19,740

2020 - $28,100

 

GTR Price Guides are below:

2018 - https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/buyers-guide/1807/nissan-gtr-–-2018-market-review

2019 - https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/buyers-guide/1905/nissan-gtr-2019-market-review

2020 - https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/buyers-guide/2006/nissan-skyline-gtr-2020-market-review

An example here 

R32 GTR (import)

2018 - $40,850

2019 - $56,370

2020 - $78,055

 

Whats also interesting is the number of sales each year have not reduced, so supply has stayed fairly flat, its the demand that must have gone up? 

21 minutes ago, Tobz said:

Whats also interesting is the number of sales each year have not reduced, so supply has stayed fairly flat, its the demand that must have gone up?

Well, yeah. There are not really any significant numbers coming in any more. Most of the Skylines that were going to be crashed into trees by flatbrims have been. The surviving cars are a smallish fraction of the total number that came in. That number has been about the same for the last 10 years, most likely. The number of cars for sale is usually a certain fraction of the total count, so that should remain the same too.

 

Thats whats confusing me, the supply seems constant by the numbers being sold, yet prices are increasing. So there are more people who want a skyline now then there was 2 years ago? Or the quality of the cars being sold is getting higher maybe?

Just now, GTSBoy said:

You'll note that they don't show any (asking, not selling) pricing for, say, R32 GTSt 2drs in 2 out of those 3 reviews. That's likely because there are so few moving.

i havent seen one for sale for a long time

35 minutes ago, Tobz said:

So there are more people who want a skyline now then there was 2 years ago?

Yes. Not necessarily here in Oz though. But the effect of the US market becoming a thing has driven local pricing to act as if there is truly a global market for these cars, which is only true to a certain extent. The shipping costs to get a bunky old R32 or 33 from here to the US can hardly be justified for the real or perceived values of the cars (either here, or there). For an R32 GTR, where, you're now talking well over $50k again, maybe more so. For an R34 GTR, the global market has to exist.

Now, purely based on the sheer number of really dumb questions asked on here in the last couple of years, evidence suggests that there are many many new and quite young owners of Skylines around. So people must have been selling them to all the young, dumb and full of cum brigade.

And as a further consideration, Supras that used to be $30k cars are now changing hands for upwards of $60k (real, I've seen it). And ditto for GTRs and FDs, so there is a degree of drag along for other cars from the era. People can't afford one of those halo models, but they can afford to buy one of the lesser cars, and that tiny increase in demand gets leveraged into quite startling increases in asking prices.

My car started at ~$20k 20 years ago. Proceeded to depreciate to about $7 a number of years back and has been steadily rising and is now very likely worth at least the original value, if not more. I was offered >$15k for it a few years ago, and that was before the recent apparent price spiral.

  • Like 1

Same can be said for spare parts, they've really dried up!

Given the cars were popular with the drifters, this accelerated the process of parts depletion

I remember people throwing away RB20's - they fetch good money now ?

As an adjunct to this discussion..........the whole cars for sale section on SAU is D E A D.  Once you would see Skylines being sold like virgin slaves at a roman market...but these days you are lucky to see one for sale at all. It will soon get to the stage where people that have been racing/tracking their car will be reinstalling the interior and using/selling them because the perceived value is too high to push it into a wall trackside.

I daily my car. It has 240k (legit) on it. I get told all the time that I should put it in the shed. My view is that it's only an R32, and while I love it and keep it as close to perfect as I can, it is only an old R32 and I would rather drive it (as a $20k or maybe even in the future a $30k car) every day than shed it, never drive it, and drive something else as a daily. It's a car - I want to own it because I want to drive it, even if that is just 50km a day to and from work. I reckon to some people who see me driving to work every morning and who "get it", I'm "that guy" in the R32. Not the anonymous twat in the Outlander/RAV4/Commonwhore/etc. I see a guy driving a neat yellow HG station wagon to work as a daily. I love to see that thing rolling instead of "appreciating" in a shed. Ditto for the various other guys doing the same thing. When I see a HG Monaro or an LJ Torrie out on a sunny Sunday, I just think "meh, garage queen".

A couple of weeks ago I pulled up in traffic, 3 cars abreast. A white R34 coupe in the left lane, a white 33 coupe in the middle and my white 32 in the right lane. That's a once in a decade thing right there. A few days later I was driving a Swift to work and at all times there were at least 2 other Swifts within sight. Pull up at the lights with any group of 40 other cars and at least 3 of them will be Swifts. /CSH

  • Like 1
1 hour ago, tridentt150v said:

As an adjunct to this discussion..........the whole cars for sale section on SAU is D E A D.  Once you would see Skylines being sold like virgin slaves at a roman market...but these days you are lucky to see one for sale at all. It will soon get to the stage where people that have been racing/tracking their car will be reinstalling the interior and using/selling them because the perceived value is too high to push it into a wall trackside.

Funny you should say that. We were literally today increasing the agreed value for the race car 3x because I can't imagine how I would reshell and fit out a R32 GTR for $25k these days...

Might just cut the cage out and buy some carpet....watch out carsales! Low KLM....

  • Haha 1
1 hour ago, Duncan said:

Funny you should say that. We were literally today increasing the agreed value for the race car 3x because I can't imagine how I would reshell and fit out a R32 GTR for $25k these days...

Might just cut the cage out and buy some carpet....watch out carsales! Low KLM....

Wait do you have insurance while you are on the track? Who is that through?

It's well off topic, but on track insurance is available, the cost just reflects the risk. A condition of the Evo I leased for the Bathurst 6 hour  a few years back was write off insurance, and it cost about 25% of the car's value for the weekend.

  • Like 2

What I want to know is if this price hike is due to covid craziness or not... Jobkeeper is giving people lots of confidence of cash, I can see that running out when jobkeeper does.

18 hours ago, Bman1296 said:

What I want to know is if this price hike is due to covid craziness or not... Jobkeeper is giving people lots of confidence of cash, I can see that running out when jobkeeper does.

I'd suggest not. Or if it is, only a little. The upward spiral was well under way before end of last year, has been going on for a few years.

Mate I’m pretty sure Jobkeeper won’t allow you to afford a GTR of any vintage.  I love my GTR and have toyed with selling it due to the prices. I firmly believe my 32 will be 100k in 5 years?

19 hours ago, Bman1296 said:

What I want to know is if this price hike is due to covid craziness or not... Jobkeeper is giving people lots of confidence of cash, I can see that running out when jobkeeper 

35 minutes ago, Matty George said:

Mate I’m pretty sure Jobkeeper won’t allow you to afford a GTR of any vintage.  I love my GTR and have toyed with selling it due to the prices. I firmly believe my 32 will be 100k in 5 years?

Don’t sell, imagine all those people who sold their old classic muscle cars and now want them back

  • Like 1

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • @Haggerty you still haven't answered my question.  Many things you are saying do not make sense for someone who can tune, yet I would not expect someone who cannot tune to be playing with the things in the ECU that you are.  This process would be a lot quicker to figure out if we can remove user error from the equation. 
    • If as it's stalling, the fuel pressure rises, it's saying there's less vacuum in the intake manifold. This is pretty typical of an engine that is slowing down.   While typically is agree it sounds fuel related, it really sounds fuel/air mixture related. Since the whole system has been refurbished, including injectors, pump, etc, it's likely we've altered how well the system is delivering fuel. If someone before you has messed with the IACV because it needed fiddling with as the fuel system was dieing out, we need to readjust it back. Getting things back to factory spec everywhere, is what's going to help the entire system. So if it idles at 400rpm with no IACV, that needs raising. Getting factory air flow back to normal will help us get everything back in spec, and likely help chase down any other issues. Back on IACV, if the base idle (no IACV plugged in) is too far out, it's a lot harder for the ECU to control idle. The IACV duty cycle causes non linear variations in reality. When I've tuned the idle valves in the past, you need to keep it in a relatively narrow window on aftermarket ecus to stop them doing wild dances. It also means if your base idle is too low, the valve needs to open too much, and then the smallest % change ends up being a huge variation.
    • I guess one thing that might be wrong is the manifold pressure.  It is a constant -5.9 and never moves even under 100% throttle and load.  I would expect it to atleast go to 0 correct?  It's doing this with the OEM MAP as well as the ECU vacuum sensor. When trying to tune the base map under load the crosshairs only climb vertically with RPM, but always in the -5.9 column.
    • AHHHH gotchaa, I'll do that once I am home again. I tried doing the harness with the multimeter but it seems the car needed a jump, there was no power when it was in the "ON" position. Not sure if I should use car battery jump starter or if its because the stuff that has been disconnect the car just does send power.
    • As far as I can tell I have everything properly set in the Haltech software for engine size, injector data, all sensors seem to be reporting proper numbers.  If I change any injector details it doesnt run right.    Changing the base map is having the biggest change in response, im not sure how people are saying it doesnt really matter.  I'm guessing under normal conditions the ECU is able to self adjust and keep everything smooth.   Right now my best performance is happening by lowering the base map just enough to where the ECU us doing short term cut of about 45% to reach the target Lambda of 14.7.  That way when I start putting load on it still has high enough fuel map to not be so lean.  After 2500 rpm I raised the base map to what would be really rich at no load, but still helps with the lean spots on load.  I figure I don't have much reason to be above 2500rpm with no load.  When watching other videos it seems their target is reached much faster than mine.  Mine takes forever to adjust and reach the target. My next few days will be spent making sure timing is good, it was running fine before doing the ECU and DBW swap, but want to verify.  I'll also probably swap in the new injectors I bought as well as a walbro 255 pump.  
×
×
  • Create New...