Gym And Supplement Discussion

[bozodos]

yeah I'm still a bit torn between Simplest Strength and BBB as Simplest Strength calls for 3x10 sets of ab and lower back work twice a week, and many respected coaches say that situps and back extensions are bad for your back (most of the fancier stuff like ab wheel rollouts I don't have access to and not strong enough for hanging leg raises).

[-FIGJAM-]

soo heart specialist has told me to stop doing crossfit as it is pretty much the exact type of workouts that will worsen my condition..........

shame because I was actually enjoying it.

[jangles]

yeah I'm still a bit torn between Simplest Strength and BBB as Simplest Strength calls for 3x10 sets of ab and lower back work twice a week, and many respected coaches say that situps and back extensions are bad for your back (most of the fancier stuff like ab wheel rollouts I don't have access to and not strong enough for hanging leg raises).

do situps bending at the hip holding the core straight, sliding hands up to the knees, holding and back down. not crunches,

you will feel it in your lower abdominals more.

Do side bends, or torso twists with a bar.

[JGTC]

Sorry to hear mate, just curious what sort of condition you have? and how is crossfit affecting it?

[-FIGJAM-]

condition is called Arrhythmogenic Right Ventricle Dysplasia/Cardiomyopathy or ARVD/ARVC for short.

It is a heard condition that effects the right centricle, bascially the ventricle increases in size until a point where the heart just stops. Commonly found in athletes that die suddenly for no apparent reason.

What they believe is that high levels of exercise especially stuff where your heart rate spikes and lowers and spikes some more (HIIT training is another no no) stresses and effects the heart differently to people with the condition compared to people without it.

[chrisR34GTT]

do situps bending at the hip holding the core straight, sliding hands up to the knees, holding and back down. not crunches,

you will feel it in your lower abdominals more.

Do side bends, or torso twists with a bar.

Could also plank, normal and side. 100% contraction, compared to top 1/3 for a situp/crunch and no negative impact to the back.

V-sits on a bench are good, as are leg raises with legs overhanging the end of the bench.

[bozodos]

good idea, what about lower back?

[chrisR34GTT]

I've recently had a few too many issues with DL (which sucks because I was making good progress, 150kg x 5), so I have been limiting lower back to bodyweight style hyper extensions etc.

[bozodos]

touch wood I've never had any back issues ever.

[chrisR34GTT]

Cable lumberjacks (think that's what they're called) could possibly hit the lower back, abs and obliques.

[No Crust Racing]

Assuming everybody has heard about this already.

Concerning....

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/highprotein-diets-shorten-lifespan-two-studies-say/story-e6frg8y6-1226845532190

[bozodos]

yeah it's already been picked apart on several other forums I frequent. good thing I'm not a mouse

[No Crust Racing]

Links?

I'm eager to hear the opposing view point from genuinely knowledgeable people, not keyboard warriors.

I take the mouse thing with a grain of salt. A friend of mine, in Melbourne, works in a lab that uses mice for cancer research, the positive effects of that research have translated to humans so saying a test was done on a mouse as a reason for dismissing it is pretty stupid, a lot of testing is done on animals before it goes to human trials.

[bozodos]

it's more the fact that it's a correlative rather than causative study- the comments I found were in discussion of the Guardian article of pretty much the exact same thing.

I used to get wound up by these things, but there's so many health benefits attributed directly to high protein diets that I find this sort of stuff to be quite alarmist.

[No Crust Racing]

I think what's alarming is that nothing I do will ever change the fact that I will die.

[bozodos]

I think the important thing to look at with these sorts of studies is the metadata - i.e. were some of the mice obese, sedentary or active? What sort of diet were they fed specifically?

It's no secret that many of the world's oldest living cultures have a carb heavy protein light diet - check out Alan Aragon's dissection of Paleo here - he goes into this phenomena in some detail http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf

[chrisR34GTT]

Age old saying right, "Everything in moderation"?

Atkins is great way to shed bodyfat but I personally wouldn't use it year round. I don't know about you guys but when I'm on a low carb diet I eat heaps of veg, particularly greens, so it's not like the diet is completely skewed towards protein it still needs to be rounded.

I am of course am a health/nutrition noob.

In the end if you want to gain muscle your protein intake needs to support that. Get big and die trying seems accurate

[TTT]

I'd rather live strong than die 10 years later than I was supposed to while being a vego fag. Hi Leesh!

[No Crust Racing]

Hahah "Hi Leesh!"

Nice.

[chrisR34GTT]

Lol vegos