R32 Gtr Na Build 'help Needed'

[zebra]

I think somebody needs this

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=...bf518610f738618

[bluejeans]

yeah id have to agree with neally everyone

leave the GTR as is

if u want another car to drive LEGALLY buy a cheap daily.. will cost less than it costs to make the GTR N/A..

and the GTR will be worth waiting to drive

[smartrx4]

well the rb26 in it needs rebuild and is missing the topend head ect so plan was save having to buy gtr convertion parts and i have a rb25de with full loom sitting there so it's not evan that hard, while i have 3yrs to save for a big hp rb26 to drop in later

looks like the 4wd wont work so ill just go all rears just run throgh the gtr box so what if its not turbo im not a street racer i only want it for the 5std wheels, nicer interior, nicer looking and for insurance it will still be insured for a kitted gtr.. no big deal

[Count Grantleyish]

Man, you're really that stubborn.

In the end of the day, it's cheaper to park this thing and buy $500 shitter and learn how to drive.

But it's your money in the end of the day, don't come here crying if you got reamed by cops (which aren't that dumb these days), Insurance companies refusing to pay you out on basis of 'kitted gtr' in event of you being young 'un and stack this thing (which I'd say you have 50/50 chance of going through your P's with undamaged Skyline).

Just my 2c.

[smartrx4]

so what im stubborn or i know what i want.. i spend 2k on a decent daily and have another rego to pay or i spend 2k on a car i want and have it on the road, damages arn't that bad they call it a agreed value.. and i work in a panel shop anyways im here for help to build this not to have other change what i want

[R31Nismoid]

say if you had a vk plated as a v8 with a six they wont touch you...

Yes they would.

say you had a mazda rx3 but you put a piston in it they still wont touch you...

Yes they would. Even more so as its 100% a modification - Have you not read the other rules part about modifications on P-Plates?

You know... the part where it specifically states you can't have any?

my mate has a r33 gtst but has a rb25de in it they dont touch him cos it dosen't have the power of what the plate says...

So? Just because he was lucky that suddenly makes it legal?

Sorry mate but the law is simple and clear cut. It is illegal unless you go and get the car re-engineered as a N/A.

Given the GTR was never offered in N/A form - you can't even go down the replacement engine route...

So it sounds like you don't fully understand the laws at all, and we are trying to tell you, and you then don't want to accept them.

Why did you even bother starting a thread asking for help then i wonder... ?

In summation...

1. You don't want to learn about the laws.

2. You are going to do it anyway

3. You will still be illegal

May mother luck be with you mate.

[krzysiu]

f**k I lol at the stupidity of these threads. Agree with ash 100%

[xALmoN]

aren't the r32 gts4 na?

*EDIT : oh no they're turbo, ahaha sorry =D

Edited May 11, 2010 by xALmoN

[Count Grantleyish]

aren't the r32 gts4 na?

Nope it's turbo.

33 GTS4 and 34 GT-4 are N/A.

[BeEnAr]

hey Ash they did make an RB26DE you know but like you said, not in the GTR so you can't use it anyway. OP why on earth would you want to ruin the GTR with a crappy engine? Fair enough it's your car and your money but you won't be able to legally drive it anyway so you may as well sell the RB25 and use the money to buy the 26 a new head then hope you don't get caught (not likely seeing as it's a GTR)

Or butcher the GTR totally, put the front end on your GTS take the wheels, brakes and hubs too, cut the rear guards off and weld em up onto your GTS, then become a paid member, come on a cruise and wonder why everyone keeps moving their cars when you park near them....

[xALmoN]

Nope it's turbo.

33 GTS4 and 34 GT-4 are N/A.

Yeah i thought so after a quick search,

[perzn_34]

its not worth having a turbo on p-plates at all....

to be honest i baught my r34 gtt on my p plates and then thougth about how the fak am i going to drive it. i thot about de turboing the thing.. i called around they sed around 1.8k cost and its not going o run great.. and then i have to get it enginered and crap..get involved with vicroads..NOT WORTH IT.. it would be as slow as a turtle atempting rape ..you'll get over it withing a week..

so then i started using my brainsss and came up with the idea of an exemption and now im legaly driving a modified turbo skyline on my p plates LEGALLY ... it can be done but would cost a lot of streesss and hair loss that i go from it LOL

[StealthX]

so what im stubborn or i know what i want.. i spend 2k on a decent daily and have another rego to pay or i spend 2k on a car i want and have it on the road, damages arn't that bad they call it a agreed value.. and i work in a panel shop anyways im here for help to build this not to have other change what i want smile.gif

Maybe you should master the English language and grammar before you start playing around with highly complex jap cars, no less a GTR!

Listen to us mate, don't be another f**khead P plater and listen to people older and more experienced than you!

The LAW states that you can't have said car regardless of modifications.

I don't know about you, but "me mate has a 33 wiv a turbo rb25 on his p plates and he get away wif it!" WON'T hold up against the cops lol

Ok then, you want help? Let me lay this out for you...

You have three choices:

1) Rip out the 26, and find an RB25 from a Stagea, put it in, swap the computer, loom, engine, gearbox, transfer case, exha... oh woops! We run into problem A! You can't have a GTR registered as a non turbo! Say you get around that problem somehow... Then fit the rb25 and get it running (5-7k later) you drive it down the road and like all skylines do, you get pulled over by the cops and get either (cue Problem B and C): b) yellow sticker-ed (if the cop's in a good mood) or c) you loose your license for driving a (twin) "turbo" car.

Grand total of about 8-10k either way. 4k for the engine and gearbox, at least a grand for fitting and wiring it up, then at least 1.5k more for the fine and 3 months license suspension, or yet another 2-4k for re-fitting the RB26 (including another $800-$1200 to find a good RB26 head) and getting it past the pits.

2) Rip apart the motor (somehow) fit the RB25 pistons, rods, crank, and head. You attmept to start the car. Run into problem D, the donk has a cop of a compression ratio now, due to having longer rods and taller NA pistons. Say you start the motor, you get a few hundred meters down the road, and if you don't run into problem B and C again, you will discover problem E, your engine has SHOCKING fuel economy.

Grand total of about 6-8k. At least 5k plus a $1000 bribe for the engine build, note the bribe 'cos no good engine builder will touch it. Then about 1k more per year for the shocking fuel bills you will be paying for.

3) Buy a decent R32 GTS or even a nice R33 GTS-4, or your given "2k daily"

In summary:

1) 8-10k plus rego and insurance for the now molested GTR

2) 6-8k plus rego and insurance.

3) 8-10K for the nice GTS(4) plus rego and insurance for the daily, as you don't need it for the GTR. MINUS whatever you can sell it for. In two years I can't imagine you loosing too much money there. Total outlay - 1-2k if you look after it, which, by the sounds of you, you wont (no offense).

See where I'm going with this?

Just for kicks, I wanna quote your funniest phrase yet:

why would i spend all the money on th gts to make it look like a gtr and it's not worth shit

Right, so a molested somehow non-turbo GTR will be worth MORE than said car?? lol I'd buy an R32 GTS with a nice GTR kit and wheels ANYDAY over a GTR that's been raped by some clueless teen.

[StealthX]

they did make an RB26DE

Sorry man, no they didn't, Autech made a non turbo RB26 with about 20k worth of professional engineering including throttle trumpets, revamped compression, complete rebuild, re-mapped ECU etc...

I believe it was a one off for someone's wife/girlfriend??

[willL]

haha what a joke, you have already been told and flamed enough so I wont bother giving my advice.

on the other hand autech has already done this (as mentioned above) but they didnt molester a gtr in the first place, if you find one of these it will fit the bill legally.....good luck though, last time I saw one for sale was at R31 House last year.

[paulr33]

regardless of any mods, changes, engine swaps, tunes, tricks etc

a Skyline GTR R32 is a twin turbo sports car which exceeds the power to weight rule and is turbocharged, so therefore it is not allowed on your p platers in victoria

this is regardless of age, kilometers, power, mods, intake tricks, removing turbochargers, changing engines, etc

the vicroads regulations dont care about how the car looks, performs, appears, sounds, or how much power it makes

they simply look at what the car is, a Skyline GTR R32 and go hmm its on our list of not allowed, sorry

[KURAUN]

Sorry man, no they didn't, Autech made a non turbo RB26 with about 20k worth of professional engineering including throttle trumpets, revamped compression, complete rebuild, re-mapped ECU etc...

I believe it was a one off for someone's wife/girlfriend??

dunno if its the one, but its in an r32 sedan

Autech RB26de

[Sheriff Wan]

I agree with the bloke who said take the $10k and burn it.

Why on earth would you think you can do this? It would be years and $$$$$$$$$$$$$ in the making to get it anywhere near an RB26DE.

Give it up kid.

[PIOTREK]

Mate i value the project idea and i don't think that ppl should hammer him. My mate bought a stock 93 (evo 3 shape) and converted it to 4wd 4g63 set up and a wide body tommy mac kit. WAIT all this was done within his garage! this is great deal on effort and all of us really value his hard work and wat he loves doing. We call him a crazy engineer. But look these were all bolt on parts and he really was keen on completing it. Yes its cheaper to go and just buy an EVO 3 but there is no statisfaction factor

I think that its a good idea that you are trying to be creative! I'm recent off my p-plate so we are in a simular age bracket, i would advise you to keep the GTR stock as a track car and have a daily. Looking back 2 yrs with a skyline on my p-plates (green) i was lucky i didn't get caught earlier. 5 weeks before i got of my p-plate i got pulled over my a TMU (knox lol) and all i felt that i could do is lube up lol didn't run the plates or look at the badge, just counted 5 studs and started writing a ticket(FYI N/A has 4 studs). so i hope you get the message! Night ended pretty well and only 3 demerit points later and about 300 buxs in a fine my car sat in at home for the remaining 5 weeks lol

Hope you get the message- you will be asked to engineer the car, EPA= headache to the max

I think everyone has been through wat you are thinking (in yr8 i wanted to rb26 a vl LMAO), and take the advise of the older and wiser. Look advise is free and everyone can give it to you, what you wanna do is gonna cost big dollars.

You won't fail with this idea, but be unlikely to beat the law,cops are not stupid and p-plates with skyline don't mix to well.

[StealthX]

Mate i value the project idea and i don't think that ppl should hammer him. My mate bought a stock 93 (evo 3 shape) and converted it to 4wd 4g63 set up and a wide body tommy mac kit. WAIT all this was done within his garage! this is great deal on effort and all of us really value his hard work and wat he loves doing. We call him a crazy engineer. But look these were all bolt on parts and he really was keen on completing it. Yes its cheaper to go and just buy an EVO 3 but there is no statisfaction factor

Yeah agreed, this would be VERY cool. A sleeper EVO 3 of sorts!

But one flaw, this guy wants to do exactly the OPPOSITE to what you've outlined here...

He's downgrading!