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you never picked up on the 'is it because I'm black, yo?' thing being a tongue-in-cheek jest?

Vettel's leading because he's a great driver in this season's greatest car (Mark having the same equipment, but being (on balance) an inferior driver)

I'd be willing to bet Hamilton would be leading if he had a whip like the RB7 that was capable of being around half a second quicker in qualifying at pretty much every track

fixed that for ya

LOL your sig gives your fanboi status away though. Still, we all can dream :whistling:

dishonest?? hardly

he won the title in '08, so I'll assume you meant '07.

NOPE! 2008! So what if he won, I suppose you could call being handed a WDC a win. :) When Massa in a semi competitive Ferrari is your hardest competition, best not to around bragging about winning a thrown fight.

Hell, I had to overcome more adversity and competition trying to finger bang my next door neighbour back when I was 11!

NOPE! 2008! So what if he won, I suppose you could call being handed a WDC a win. :) When Massa in a semi competitive Ferrari is your hardest competition, best not to around bragging about winning a thrown fight.

Hell, I had to overcome more adversity and competition trying to finger bang my next door neighbour back when I was 11!

So, um, how is Bruce these days?

haha, on current standings/form, I reckon Button's most likely to be leading if they "had a whip like the RB7"

Agreed, Button had 2 dnf's due to pit-crew failure and hydrolic failure and he still get back ahead of hamilton. And hamilton is no slouch, he is still a wdc and one of the few people in the field who can overtake, up until monza anyways (though this year he's been a bit less effective :s, ie: just hitting people)

And hamilton is no slouch, he is still a wdc and one of the few people in the field who can overtake

the stats (taken from clip the apex) disagree on that point:

Top driver statistics to date (R12):

Most overtaking moves (season):

Jenson Button 67

Michael Schumacher 58

Mark Webber 58

Felipe Massa 55

Sebastien Buemi 52

Fewest times overtaken (season):

Sebastian Vettel 4

Lewis Hamilton 16

Fernando Alonso 17

Mark Webber 17

Jenson Button 19

Most overtaking moves (single race):

Jenson Button 26 (Canada)

Mark Webber 15 (China)

Felipe Massa 13 (the sphincter of the universe)

Most times overtaken (single race):

Timo Glock 14 (Canada)

Heikki Kovalainen 13 (the sphincter of the universe)

Pastor Maldonado 13 (Canada)

the stats (taken from clip the apex) disagree on that point:

Top driver statistics to date (R12):

Most overtaking moves (season):

Jenson Button 67

Michael Schumacher 58

Mark Webber 58

Felipe Massa 55

Sebastien Buemi 52

you can attribute a large portion of Marks overtakes to him losing around 13 places from every start and then having a bunch of slower cars in front :laugh:

you never picked up on the 'is it because I'm black, yo?' thing being a tongue-in-cheek jest?

Vettel's leading because he's a great driver in this season's greatest car (Mark having the same equipment, but being (on balance) an inferior driver)

I'd be willing to bet Hamilton would be leading if he had a whip like the RB7 that was capable of being around half a second quicker in qualifying at pretty much every track

fixed that for ya

don't know if i'd say he has the same equipment. a few times he's had the older gear while vettel got the new stuff. and don't forget the few times where he has been told to back off when he has been catching vettel towards the end of the race.

and yeah, both webber's overtaking and being overtaken stats would be a lot better if he could launch the car well. wonder if you can bet on whether webber stuffs up the launch or not? probably pretty low odds though (wouldn't make much money). would get good odds on him getting a good launch, but you might as well set your money on fire, LOL.

the stats (taken from clip the apex) disagree on that point:

Top driver statistics to date (R12):

Most overtaking moves (season):

Jenson Button 67

Michael Schumacher 58

Mark Webber 58

Felipe Massa 55

Sebastien Buemi 52

Fewest times overtaken (season):

Sebastian Vettel 4

Lewis Hamilton 16

Fernando Alonso 17

Mark Webber 17

Jenson Button 19

Most overtaking moves (single race):

Jenson Button 26 (Canada)

Mark Webber 15 (China)

Felipe Massa 13 (the sphincter of the universe)

Most times overtaken (single race):

Timo Glock 14 (Canada)

Heikki Kovalainen 13 (the sphincter of the universe)

Pastor Maldonado 13 (Canada)

Interesting, can't argue with that. I was more referring to years gone by. Hamilton tended to be less likely to get stuck behind someone than more timid drivers, at least that's how I remember it.

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