2011 F1 Thread

[Nee-san]

They'll almost certainly be v6's right? Which is a pity, I've always thought straight 6's, in general, sound better.

Yeah, almost definitely a V configuration.

2.4 Litre V 6 twin turbo would be great.

It would be a real laugh at all the moron as well, who automatically think that because a car is a V8 it's a so called "gas guzzler", even though the F1 V8's are some 20% more efficient at turning fuel into movement then even the most efficient domestic engine.

[gts-4 dreamer]

No matter what the engine, the teams would develop the engines to around 1k hp then the FIA would restrict something that starts the process again, hence the engine freeze just saved money and maybe got some longevity tech out of the teams if anything. technology exists that would allow a smaller capacity engine to make equivalent power if it were unrestricted again. Whats the real difference that engine regs make? keep the power too around sub 1k, ref ok 800 at the moment and the sound. lower capacity higher strung engines may contribute some more durable technology and some better forced induction, better fuel efficiency, like shit, how? more efficiency in the process would need to be achieved for that to work.

[Nee-san]

No matter what the engine, the teams would develop the engines to around 1k hp then the FIA would restrict something that starts the process again, hence the engine freeze just saved money and maybe got some longevity tech out of the teams if anything. technology exists that would allow a smaller capacity engine to make equivalent power if it were unrestricted again. Whats the real difference that engine regs make? keep the power too around sub 1k, ref ok 800 at the moment and the sound. lower capacity higher strung engines may contribute some more durable technology and some better forced induction, better fuel efficiency, like shit, how? more efficiency in the process would need to be achieved for that to work.

F1 bears no resemblance to road cars, and it is a competition, not a technological state of the union, poser companies need to roll off the environmental bandwagon and f**k off out of the sport.

Bring back the cancer stick paintjobs.

[-oliveR]

Anybody ever thought of what would happen if Audi jumped in the game? They dominate the LMP series. I reckon they would do pretty good in F1 if they were given the chance. Get rid of HRT and bring in Audi for a year, might add some more wins to there never ending list.

[Nee-san]

Anybody ever thought of what would happen if Audi jumped in the game? They dominate the LMP series. I reckon they would do pretty good in F1 if they were given the chance. Get rid of HRT and bring in Audi for a year, might add some more wins to there never ending list.

The real barrier to competing in formula 1 goes beyond the cover charge.

You cannot come in and automatically be upto speed with the competition unless you buy into an already currently winning team, note how I said currently, because past wins mean nothing in the most dynamic engineering industry in the world.

Not only do you have to have all resources in place, namely people, and facilities, you have to spend money to not only develop and manufacture a car in time, but also spend MORE to catch the opposition over a preplanned period.

Toyota understood this, spent upwards of 500 Million per year over a roughly 8 year period, and did not win a single race.

This is why most "new teams" are window dressing and nothing else.

[-oliveR]

Thats why I thought Audi might have a decent chance. Loaded with $ and easily have the right facilities. Not too sure on who they would get to drive. Hopefully not some random rich ass indian shit kid :\

[djr81]

In the turbo era, Most of the cars were 6 cylinders anyway, only one or two engine manufacturers ran 4 cylinders.

I think it is a good move.

1.6 litres is too small though.

anything between 2 and 3 litre 6 cylinder turbo and I will shut my complaining mouth.

However the FIA will find some way of keeping them slow.

From memory of the turbo motors:

Renault was a 6 cylinder.

Honda was a 6.

BMW/Megatron was a 4.

Brain Hart motors were 4.

Ferrari ran a 6.

The Porsche/TAG motor was a six.

Ford/Cosworth was a 6.

Alfa Romeo ran a V8.

Zakspeed was a four?

Thats off the top of my head. Doubtless a few I have missed.

The trend in road car motors is to small capacity turbos, hence the FIA's interest. But they are better off leaving them to the WRC & keep the atmo motors. The turbo motors cost huge coin.

F1 was better when the manufacturers just supplied motors. Maybe they should restrict them to just that. Get rid of MB & FIAT. Unfortunately the manufacturers want the credit if they are paying the bills.

Oh and for whomever missed the tobacco cancer colours Ferrari just resigned a huge deal with Phillip Morros. Which tells you all you need to know about their ethics free zone.

[sav man]

I read an article in F1 racing about zacspeed. They sounded like the bush mechanics of F1

[Beer Baron]

I think the mass pull out of tobacco sponsorship cost the sport dearly. the money they were able to pump into the sport was tremendous. bring back the cancer manufacturers I say. let people make up their own minds whether or not they want to light a durrey. but at least we'd get kick arse technical development out of it!

[Beer Baron]

lol, djr81 forgot zakspeed's exact engine spec for a reason..... who cares what engine they had, the only time you'd see it was when it was lapped by something decent! that is providing they actually qualified which they didn't always manage. I think they are best remembered cause martin trundle drove for them at some point and so did aguri suzuki (of recent super aguri fame). I guess they were a privateer team in the truest sense and get some respect for that but they certainly didn't trouble the score board...

[djr81]

lol, djr81 forgot zakspeed's exact engine spec for a reason..... who cares what engine they had, the only time you'd see it was when it was lapped by something decent! that is providing they actually qualified which they didn't always manage. I think they are best remembered cause martin trundle drove for them at some point and so did aguri suzuki (of recent super aguri fame). I guess they were a privateer team in the truest sense and get some respect for that but they certainly didn't trouble the score board...

To be fair Zakspeed have been around for ages (gone now I think) and they did other stuff besides F1 at which they didnt suck.

Actually people now bitch about HRT being shite but compared to alot of F1 teams back in the day they are awesome.

Bring back the olden days I say - you know when a Lotus had an actual connection to something.

[sav man]

zombie colin chapman?

[djr81]

zombie colin chapman?

Not so much.

Back in the day you had a Lotus Renault. The car was by Lotus the engine was by Renault. Easy.

Now you have Lotus Renault. Fk all is by Lotus other than the (usually late) sponsorship payments. The Renault is sort of a Renault although the team isnt owned by Renault but by a bunch of investment bankers with the car made at the old Benetton factory in England and the motor in France. No idea how much coin or in kind support Renault actually make to "their" team.

As for Team Lotus. They bought the old Team Lotus rights but cant use the logo.

It is all madness. Mostly I blame Jackie Stewart and Ford for all this.

[iamhe77]

Mind if you bridge that gap for me?

[djr81]

Mind if you bridge that gap for me?

In 1994 Lotus was on its last legs. They were running on old Mugen motor that was heavy and out of date. They finally received a new one for Monza and scored P4 in qualy. Anyway it didnt amount to anything much as Eddie fkn Irvine punted the thing. They stopped after that year.

At about that time Lotus was being wound up Jackie Stewart was convincing Ford that the way forward was to give him the money for Stewart Grand Prix. Which amounted to fk all with one win before they changed it to Jaguar which went even worse. It is now Red Bull for whatever that is worth.

Anyway the point is that for the money Ford wasted on Stewart/Jaguar they could have run a Lotus Ford and got a heap more credibility & publicity. Not to mention stuff like winning races etc. Ford got shafted by Benetton at the end of 1994 after Schumacher crashed into the WDC. They ran in the Sauber after that which was hopeless.

The debts that sent Lotus to the wall are about the same as Ferrari now spends annually on potted palm trees. More than a little of it was owed to Ford.

Given the current fight over the name is just makes you shake your head.

Oh and in a random, unrelated subject.

Ayrton Sennas salary in 1987 - $4 million US - paid direct by the tobacco company.

Lotus budget from the cancer company to run the whole team: $3.5 million US.

Edited June 24, 2011 by djr81

[sav man]

Energy drinks should have replaced cancer sticks. But Red Bull are the only ones to but big bucks into a F1 team, I would have thought Monster would have been a title sponser by now..... be better value than their brand being put into every tree and bank on the wrc circuit.

[Beer Baron]

agree with the jackie stewart and ford blame.

[sh@un]

Thats why I thought Audi might have a decent chance. Loaded with $ and easily have the right facilities.

I've read an interview in car mags with the head of Volkswagen/Audi about this. He says F1 isn't really the right marketing fit for Audi, but did hint that Porsche is the best member of the VAG group to head in that direction. You'd prolly only see them as an engine supplier rather than a factory effort like Merc GP; but if the costs do end up coming down they may have a crack I'd say.

It is now Red Bull for whatever that is worth.

I'm noticing a theme here- Get piss-poor results for a few years, sell the team on, new owner scoops WCC shortly afterwards...

[Nee-san]

From memory of the turbo motors:

Renault was a 6 cylinder.

Honda was a 6.

BMW/Megatron was a 4.

Brain Hart motors were 4.

Ferrari ran a 6.

The Porsche/TAG motor was a six.

Ford/Cosworth was a 6.

Alfa Romeo ran a V8.

Zakspeed was a four?

Thats off the top of my head. Doubtless a few I have missed.

The trend in road car motors is to small capacity turbos, hence the FIA's interest. But they are better off leaving them to the WRC & keep the atmo motors. The turbo motors cost huge coin.

F1 was better when the manufacturers just supplied motors. Maybe they should restrict them to just that. Get rid of MB & FIAT. Unfortunately the manufacturers want the credit if they are paying the bills.

Oh and for whomever missed the tobacco cancer colours Ferrari just resigned a huge deal with Phillip Morros. Which tells you all you need to know about their ethics free zone.

Lol cheers, I couldn't remember who ran what but I know Cossie built a 4 banger and thought better of it unfortunately these awesome seasons proceed my birth !

Agree with no high volume manufacturer input, this covers the Ferrari angle and teams can get back to being proper race teams rather then deal will all the bullshit baggage that comes with being a cog in a major corporation.

Engine makers, definitely allow the major manufacturers, the engine was and still is the heart of the car, they can gay up everything with all the KERS they want in this way and it's a much more sensible way of pitting manufacturers against each other, engine versus engine especially considering the chassis of a grand prix car has even less to do with a road car then the engine does !

yeah, saw the new PMI deal, when you think about it, it's probably increasing in value as the places where Cigarette manufacturers can advertise is getting squeezed every year, and no I do not agree with all the bans and horror relating the sale of cigarettes.

You should have health warnings at the point of sale where it is clearly visible, and they should be taxed to compensate for the burden smokers put on the health system and then leave it alone.

Agree about the Stewart grand prix and the whole lotus saga, sad to see such a historic name dragged through the dirt, not to mention raping the companies image.

Porsche could come back with TAG I suppose and hookup with McLaren just like Olden times for when the Merc engine deal expires.

Williams needs a manufacturer, it's a bit shitty to see Frank and co have to sell part of the team and float it.

It's all stupidity, bring back tobacco advertising and leave the sport to what it actually is, a sport.

[stR33ter]

whats going on with the live feed on eplsite

showing old races.

anyone know if they are going to show FP1?