RB25DET Help.

[Murray_Calavera]

3 minutes ago, JayJay777 said:

i dont think i can do it for 6k at all, ive said that. i just stated that what ive currently got on my list is 6k, i even said on the same post that i know that is nowhere near what i need. even with the extra bearing its still under 6k. again, not thinking im gonna do this for that price, just saying my list is all. 

stated previously as well the intake manifold is second hand.

Sounds good, I think I'm on the same page as you now. 

Working with your current list, I would consider going for the Link FuryX over the Xtremex. You'll want wideband o2 support, if you buy the Xtremex you'll need to buy a wideband controller which will likely cost more then the price difference between the 2 ECUs. 

Start having a think about what you are going to do fuel setup wise and what sensors you'll want to run. These costs can blow out crazy quickly. I'm not saying to do this, but just as an example of what you could do, all prices are from Haltech's website (because I'm a Haltech fanboy lol) - 

Fuel temp/pressure sensor $218
Oil temp/pressure sensor $218
Coolant temp/pressure sensor $218
Flex sensor $287
4 bar MAP sensor $219
Air temp sensor $59
Wideband o2 sensor $230

That's $1,449 just in sensors. 

It's a similar situation for the fuel system, it can get expensive surprisingly quickly. What brand of rail or will you keep it stock? What injectors? You could spend over 1k on the injectors alone. What fuel pressure reg? what lines will you use? You could use Kryptalon hose, it's about $100 a meter for -8 then suddenly your fittings are $50 a pop. Start adding up how many fittings you'll need and things get silly quickly. 

Of course there are lots of other expenses to consider, but off the top of my head those are the 2 that can be surprisingly expensive. 

[JayJay777]

3 minutes ago, UWISSH! said:

Do you already have a good full exhaust system?

will you need new coil packs?

cam gears?

also think about a new clutch to hold the extra power.

what injectors and fuel pump are you going to use? 
what fuel will you be running?

upgraded bov? and waste gate if going externally gated. Extra fab work and lines for said gate

thats just a couple things to take into consideration.

Yeah I’ve got an exhaust system set up.

been looking at coil packs too just wasn’t sure if I needed them

have cam gears saved but again I wasn’t sure if I needed them or not.

mines an automatic 

I’ve found some 1000cc injectors to use and now I just need to do some fuel pump research

got the waste gate and everything all quoted up, not sure if I’m gonna be running a bov as I like the dosing

[Murray_Calavera]

1 minute ago, JayJay777 said:

mines an automatic 

So now you need to price in a manual conversion as well lol

[JayJay777]

9 minutes ago, Murray_Calavera said:

Sounds good, I think I'm on the same page as you now. 

Working with your current list, I would consider going for the Link FuryX over the Xtremex. You'll want wideband o2 support, if you buy the Xtremex you'll need to buy a wideband controller which will likely cost more then the price difference between the 2 ECUs. 

Start having a think about what you are going to do fuel setup wise and what sensors you'll want to run. These costs can blow out crazy quickly. I'm not saying to do this, but just as an example of what you could do, all prices are from Haltech's website (because I'm a Haltech fanboy lol) - 

Fuel temp/pressure sensor $218
Oil temp/pressure sensor $218
Coolant temp/pressure sensor $218
Flex sensor $287
4 bar MAP sensor $219
Air temp sensor $59
Wideband o2 sensor $230

That's $1,449 just in sensors. 

It's a similar situation for the fuel system, it can get expensive surprisingly quickly. What brand of rail or will you keep it stock? What injectors? You could spend over 1k on the injectors alone. What fuel pressure reg? what lines will you use? You could use Kryptalon hose, it's about $100 a meter for -8 then suddenly your fittings are $50 a pop. Start adding up how many fittings you'll need and things get silly quickly. 

Of course there are lots of other expenses to consider, but off the top of my head those are the 2 that can be surprisingly expensive. 

Glad we’re on the same page now haha.

Okay that’s really good to know tbh, I would never have thought of that. 

sensors definitely seem expensive but I mean hey, it’s all apart of it. I just ain’t ready for all the crap with the fittings haha, I feel as if it’s gonna be something I’ll have to do once I’ve started it.

but yeah I’ll be working on the fuel system soon. 

and on the manual swap, someone’s got the whole thing including interior and dash and wiring, legit anything. For $7500, however.. that’s where we run into the biggest issue… the missus likes the auto cause 1: she can drive it and 2: she can hold my hand as we drive haha.

[Murray_Calavera]

53 minutes ago, JayJay777 said:

the missus likes the auto

I'll just leave these videos here...

 

 

[GTSBoy]

1 hour ago, JayJay777 said:

mines an automatic

 

1 hour ago, Murray_Calavera said:

So now you need to price in a manual conversion as well lol

The auto won't last long at 350whp, let alone more.

[admS15]

I'm gonna agree with Dose, the M2 is starting to sound like real good value. 

Can't believe I just said that.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

The Asian already calculated the overall upfront investment with both scenarios and M2 provided overall better ROI.

[soviet_merlin]

23 hours ago, JayJay777 said:

front mount intercooler (aeroflow)

If you are set on the aeroflow intercooler I have one that was on my car. S2 Stagea with 260awkw.

It's sitting in a box in my garage and I'd be happy to pass it on. You would just have to pay for shipping from Sydney. Should have all the piping as well so may potentially be bolt-on. Or as good as. See attached for what it looked like on the car. Not sure if this is the right gear for entering beauty pageants but I think it'll look fine with different hose clamps.

[JayJay777]

8 minutes ago, soviet_merlin said:

If you are set on the aeroflow intercooler I have one that was on my car. S2 Stagea with 260awkw.

It's sitting in a box in my garage and I'd be happy to pass it on. You would just have to pay for shipping from Sydney. Should have all the piping as well so may potentially be bolt-on. Or as good as. See attached for what it looked like on the car. Not sure if this is the right gear for entering beauty pageants but I think it'll look fine with different hose clamps.

main reason i was so set on it was because i know you can get them in full black and since im only on my red P's its a lot easier to get away with having a turbo. we have this crappy rule in VIC where a P plater cant drive a car which has been modified for power, hence why i wanna go with a black intercooler and then ill just say my bonnet latch is broken so they cant peep under the hood haha. but the one i wanna buy is about 295 from autobarn

[R3N3]

12 minutes ago, JayJay777 said:

main reason i was so set on it was because i know you can get them in full black and since im only on my red P's its a lot easier to get away with having a turbo. we have this crappy rule in VIC where a P plater cant drive a car which has been modified for power, hence why i wanna go with a black intercooler and then ill just say my bonnet latch is broken so they cant peep under the hood haha. but the one i wanna buy is about 295 from autobarn

But with your scope of obvious performance parts (especially with a screamer pipe, they’ll hear you from a mile away), all they have to do is lift the bonnet.. another good reason to try use as many stock parts..

Skylines/stageas will always attract an extra look from the police..

[JayJay777]

5 minutes ago, R3N3 said:

But with your scope of obvious performance parts (especially with a screamer pipe, they’ll hear you from a mile away), all they have to do is lift the bonnet.. another good reason to try use as many stock parts..

Skylines/stageas will always attract an extra look from the police..

thats a good point id be willing to forgo the screamer pipe tbh, but ill probably do what my made did when they turbo charged their 300zx and just disconnect the cable for the bonnet and relocate it so that it cant be opened. it works pretty well tbh

[soviet_merlin]

2 minutes ago, JayJay777 said:

thats a good point id be willing to forgo the screamer pipe tbh, but ill probably do what my made did when they turbo charged their 300zx and just disconnect the cable for the bonnet and relocate it so that it cant be opened. it works pretty well tbh

And he got pulled over and asked to open the bonnet and then got away with it? I find that hard to believe.

I'd say spend the time on P's to save money and then go nuts once you have the full license.

[JayJay777]

1 minute ago, soviet_merlin said:

And he got pulled over and asked to open the bonnet and then got away with it? I find that hard to believe.

I'd say spend the time on P's to save money and then go nuts once you have the full license.

its innocent until proven guilty in their case, pulled over for just being a hoonable car, cops cant force you to rev your engine or anything. they did get a defect, but its a lot better than what would happen if they were caught with the turbo.

[GTSBoy]

Oh, it's way worse that what you say.

In Victoriastan, you are not allowed to have any more than 2 inlet modifications. If you do an intercooler, that's one. If you change the air filter, that's two. Then you're done. If you don't change the filter, so you can change the turbo, that's your two. And if you change the turbo, you'd better keep it looking as stock as possible, because that's somewhat of a nono in Vic.

And....if you bin the ECU and go MAP sensed, and the AFM is removed, then that is an inlet modification (removing the AFM) and that's a 3rd mod and that's not allowed. But none of it is really allowed because changing the ECU gets you a full swing kick to the balls. An FFP is another inlet mod, probably earn you another kick in the nads.

And if you do it all on your Ps....good luck.

Spending big money on these mods, only to get defected and have to revert it al back to stock, doesn't sound like fun. A set of stealthy upgrades is far better. A return flow cooler is a good idea because the stock piping remains. A stock looking turbo on the stock manifold is also good. No screamer, obviously.

 

And, do not be too confident on your ability to avoid detection by disabling the bonnet pull. If the cops defect you, and they can for any reason at all, you go to inspection. At inspection, they WILL find whatever you have under the bonnet,, unless you have reverted to stock in the few days grace that you have. And that is a lot harder and more time consuming on a heavily modded car than anyone ever is willing to believe.

[JayJay777]

7 minutes ago, GTSBoy said:

Oh, it's way worse that what you say.

In Victoriastan, you are not allowed to have any more than 2 inlet modifications. If you do an intercooler, that's one. If you change the air filter, that's two. Then you're done. If you don't change the filter, so you can change the turbo, that's your two. And if you change the turbo, you'd better keep it looking as stock as possible, because that's somewhat of a nono in Vic.

And....if you bin the ECU and go MAP sensed, and the AFM is removed, then that is an inlet modification (removing the AFM) and that's a 3rd mod and that's not allowed. But none of it is really allowed because changing the ECU gets you a full swing kick to the balls. An FFP is another inlet mod, probably earn you another kick in the nads.

And if you do it all on your Ps....good luck.

Spending big money on these mods, only to get defected and have to revert it al back to stock, doesn't sound like fun. A set of stealthy upgrades is far better. A return flow cooler is a good idea because the stock piping remains. A stock looking turbo on the stock manifold is also good. No screamer, obviously.

 

And, do not be too confident on your ability to avoid detection by disabling the bonnet pull. If the cops defect you, and they can for any reason at all, you go to inspection. At inspection, they WILL find whatever you have under the bonnet,, unless you have reverted to stock in the few days grace that you have. And that is a lot harder and more time consuming on a heavily modded car than anyone ever is willing to believe.

to be honest i didnt even think you could get 2 lmao, i was under the impression if i get caught with my pod filter and no box id probably just get shafted there and then (probably still will tbh)

but yeah i get what you mean, definitely not a good idea i agree. i think what @soviet_merlinsaid is probably the best bet, just wait and save and then do it, cause lets be honest, its gonna be a while before i have everything to put on the car, may just do the intercooler for now, id prefer to do the ffp but if what you said is true then ill just wait, that way i may have even more money for an even more comprehensive set up. i do think just modding the turbo to high flow should be fine though (in the future) cause itll still have the same housing and the piping should cover up any sign of it being modified, do correct me if im wrong on that part.

[soviet_merlin]

29 minutes ago, GTSBoy said:

If the cops defect you, and they can for any reason at all, you go to inspection. At inspection, they WILL find whatever you have under the bonnet

What happens when further modifications are found at inspection? More defects filed that will have to be resolved? Car taken away? Points on license? Castration? I'm not familiar with the system and always wondered about that.

[GTSBoy]

2 hours ago, soviet_merlin said:

More defects filed that will have to be resolved?

Yes. It's more or less the same anywhere where the cops defect something and it goes over the pits. If they find more stuff on the pits, it must be made good or they won't clear the defects that it was there for.

35 years ago or more, my mate got defected in SA for steering wheel, bonnet scoop, oil leaks. He "fixed" those things (ie cleaned off the oil without fixing the leak) and went to the cop shop to have it cleared. The Sergeant was more thorough than the patrol car bobby and found about 10 more things he had to fix before he would even look at the original list.

I took my car to Regency for inspection after the (pre-approved) engine transplant. I had to make sure that there were no dents in the chassis rails, everything was or at least looked stock. No non-approved suspension parts, good seat belts, etc etc. Windscreen demister has to work. They checked EVERYTHING. would have defected the car if they were not happy. They let me slide on 2 minor things, on me promising to make them good after I left.

2 hours ago, soviet_merlin said:

Castration?

In Victoriastan? I wouldn't be surprised if they have it on the books.

[admS15]

I've been driving modified shitbox Nissan's in Victoriastan for the last 9 years and have been pulled over exactly 0 times. Actually that's a Iie, I got pulled up once when I blasted past an undercover at 20 k over. Copped a speeding fine only which was surprising considering my wife was yelling abuse at them.

Honestly, you don't see many cops on the road anymore. Probably all working from home or just eating donuts back at the station.

Just don't drive like a dickhead in the wrong place and you'll be right. 

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

57 minutes ago, admS15 said:

don't drive like a dickhead in the wrong place and you'll be right. 

Yeah don't do 180km/h+ gate it in a 70km/h zone with Go Pros mounted and some internet superstar from TRC.