Stability Under Brakes And Car Walking Around

[Roy]

Now, now. No need to be like that

There are some guys down here grabbing 2nd hand Jap shocks and playing with them...im impressed by the results they are getting. They are nice on the steet and their lap times are damn quick.

I just checked the alignment sheet and they are reading +2mm toe, before the alignment it was +6. So does that mean toe in or toe out?

The problem is this would be easy if i had a GTR, but there arent any quick R32 GTSts getting around...so i have to put my foldign stuff on the line and learn the expensive way The price of shocks is ridiculous

[phunky_monkey]

Just as a note on the shocks, and I know a few will disagree with me here, but maybe have a look into some Tein RS's second hand, then have them rebuilt (no longer in production, I don't think). I might look into this myself, as after driving Jack's car home from PI I was amazed at how compliant they were on the street, yet are obviously doing a good job on the track. I know they were modified by Racepace, so it's not just an off the shelf kit, but they were really impressive.

Sorry to go off topic, but thought it may be of interest.

[Roy]

Thats exactly whaty im thinking...only i have just installed the diff and no longer want to use a GTR cradle and the GTR shocks are a lot easier to come by then GTSt. Quantam are looking a possibility as well. Need to speak to Ben and weigh up the option against Bilsteins.

How nice is Jacks car on the street. Its nicer then my car with soft springs and Bilsteins !

[phunky_monkey]

It's so compliant, it's awesome!

Big bumps rattle it a bit, but with the springrates you'd expect it, but over the normal smaller stuff it just soaks them up. Amazing stuff! I was shocked...

[Roy]

It sux having an R32 GTSt. All the good gear is available for GTRs and S13/14/15s etc...but if you have an R32 GTSt there isnt really anythiong track ready for them. Even Whiteline with their Groupl 4s are too busy doing things for EVO, and Silvias etc

[sav man]

What's the Tein RA like comapared to the Nismo R-Tune?

[Sydneykid]

It sux having an R32 GTSt. All the good gear is available for GTRs and S13/14/15s etc...but if you have an R32 GTSt there isnt really anythiong track ready for them. Even Whiteline with their Groupl 4s are too busy doing things for EVO, and Silvias etc

Don't feel under privileged, Whiteline aren't doing any Group 4, any more.

cheers

[Roy]

Really? Thats a shame. A friend ran them in his STI and it was a very quick car.

So, fingers crossed i dont fall off my chair when i get pricing back on some new coil overs....SK, have you done any Bilsteins for track R32 GTSt?

[phunky_monkey]

It sux having an R32 GTSt. All the good gear is available for GTRs and S13/14/15s etc...but if you have an R32 GTSt there isnt really anythiong track ready for them. Even Whiteline with their Groupl 4s are too busy doing things for EVO, and Silvias etc

S14/15 is the easiest, next to GT-R's. Pity the suspension components aren't compatible with an S13

[dontfeelcold]

Roy, maybe you should see this as a sign? mmm GTR goodness.

[Roy]

Roy, maybe you should see this as a sign? mmm GTR goodness.

LOL...nope. There were a few GTRs behid me and a few that i can catch in front of me. LOL there are of course those i will never get near...but i struggle to afford to track my GTSt...a GTR is simply out of the question

Plus i dont enjoy blow by and spun bottom end bearings

[dontfeelcold]

keep it above the belt

[Roy]

Im short and below the belt is as high as i can punch

[dontfeelcold]

Have you found the problem yet?

[Sydneykid]

Really? Thats a shame. A friend ran them in his STI and it was a very quick car.

So, fingers crossed i dont fall off my chair when i get pricing back on some new coil overs....SK, have you done any Bilsteins for track R32 GTSt?

Yep, mine for a start, it had Bilsteins in for 4 years.

cheers

[Roy]

Im going to get a bit more toe in the rear once someone is able to tell me if toe in is + or - Have a good look under there while its up on a hoist.

Then after Sandown on Anzac day i will pull it all out and strip them. Will be interesting to see how good the condition of 90,000km old Bilsteins that have seen over 3 Bathursts worth of track work are fairing. They are not completely shagged as the car still drives fine and stops in a staight line (not pulling to one side) So i dont think anything is majorly wrong with them...just a little worn and PI shows up any fault of the suspension. Who knows they could be fine and something else is astray in the suspension. I know they were out 20,000kms and 3 years ago and they were in perfect health.

[JAGR33]

Just as a note on the shocks, and I know a few will disagree with me here, but maybe have a look into some Tein RS's second hand, then have them rebuilt (no longer in production, I don't think). I might look into this myself, as after driving Jack's car home from PI I was amazed at how compliant they were on the street, yet are obviously doing a good job on the track. I know they were modified by Racepace, so it's not just an off the shelf kit, but they were really impressive.

Sorry to go off topic, but thought it may be of interest.

Cheers for the compliments Dane!!! I hope you enjoyed the drive... I wouldn't trust too many 180sx owners driving my car!!!!

Sydneykid, how would you compare your Bilstein kit to Tein RA/RS's??

[salad]

From what I've seen of the wheel alignment machines I've used. +ve has always been toe in, but I think Beer Baron had the opposite experience...

[MBS206]

From my experience, the Positive is actually toe out.

But to be perfectly serious with you. Set it to zero.

Too much toe in can also cause squirming. I had a MAJOR issue, where the car was crabbing around, unsettled underbrakes, hit a bump and it would wander around, and it was ALL in the rear toe, strangely, too much rear toe. The rear tyres were basically "dragged" around.

Most of the time, you'll find what you're feeling the "front" is actually from the rear.

[Beer Baron]

lol, yeah salad and I had this problem before. it seems most places he has used accept + as toe in. the last place I used was definately + as toe out (and I can't remember back further than that!).

i don't know what i'm talking about half the time, but now running 0 rear toe and 1.8mm toe out each side on the front the car feels magic. and yes I know my weak GTR sus tuning experience can't be directly applied to troys bucket of bolts GTST.