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yeh i tried the delta an1 - an2, doesnt seem to work for me, so i just use an1 and have tried to calibrate it to read the same as the gauge, but under WOT it doesnt seem to be the same,

i have tried different earths but the instructions and their website say u must try to connect all earths to one lug, even the signal and heater grounds together.

i have it working now with the gauge but every now and then it freaks out and i have to jack the car up take the 02 sensor out and do a free air calibration then refit.

ignore their website in this case, i tried all of recommended setups i found on all sorts of sites and none worked. wired it up delta but without the option selected and used a seperate earth for atleast the heater ground and it worked perfectly. just keep trying different setups until it works

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ignore their website in this case, i tried all of recommended setups i found on all sorts of sites and none worked. wired it up delta but without the option selected and used a seperate earth for atleast the heater ground and it worked perfectly. just keep trying different setups until it works

ok cheers, ill try this this morning, to me your way makes sense, surely the heater ground would put a lot of noise/ signal interference through the system ground which is extremely sensitive.

to keep on topic i got my standalone innovate from ebay, think it was $350ish

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http://wbo2.com/home/default.htm

they arent hugely expensive, they are a local product and they work well.

I got mine from these guys - and the amount of information on their website, plus the speed of response for any issues is awesome. A++ would buy again

I got mine from these guys - and the amount of information on their website, plus the speed of response for any issues is awesome. A++ would buy again

but the tech edge is super ugly LOL

I got mine from these guys - and the amount of information on their website, plus the speed of response for any issues is awesome. A++ would buy again

im thinking of getting the LX1 display with 2J2 controller + bosch sensor = $394

anyone using this particular unit/combo, also thinking of outputing narrow band to ecu as my o2 sensors arent working

im thinking of getting the LX1 display with 2J2 controller + bosch sensor = $394

anyone using this particular unit/combo, also thinking of outputing narrow band to ecu as my o2 sensors arent working

thats the setup i have except using the older 2J1 unit. With the R32 they use different o2 sensors and im not sure if the feed will work properly. (or was it only some of them that used the funky sensors?)

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Just some more innovate info i came across which mirrors my experiences:

I was the original sole Australian distributor for Innovate and literally sold hundreds of LM-1's and LC-1's and can personally tell you they are garbage, I got sick of customer support and needing to work around their glitches.

Short story is if you use a proper AFR instrument (not a toy) then you will have NONE of the issues they crap on about! regardless of where you place the sensor and no magical "lean misfire spikes" LOL........ I find it funny now, but was not so amusing when I had to deal with that crap every day.

I use in my own car a Japanese NEKO Corporation AF700, it feeds into my G4 and also my BLitz boost control and all three give and log exactly the same figures, and my sensor is located right of the back of the turbo. The other instrument I use is an Autronic B model meter when doing back up checks or other cars, again never ever an issue. Both of these professional instruments use lab grade NTK sensors and not the hobby shack Bosch LSU.

Little tip for the day.

Not the most compact option Trent. lol. :rolleyes:

http://www.rhdjapan.com/neko-corporation-af-700-air-fuel-ratio-meter-system-31063

I still have had no problem with my Innovative, well over a year of everyday driving on ethanol. I installed an AEM the other day for one of the Stagea guys, not a bad unit for $200 delivered either...

Not the most compact option Trent. lol. :rolleyes:

http://www.rhdjapan.com/neko-corporation-af-700-air-fuel-ratio-meter-system-31063

I still have had no problem with my Innovative, well over a year of everyday driving on ethanol. I installed an AEM the other day for one of the Stagea guys, not a bad unit for $200 delivered either...

Yikes! it would want to be better than the innovative at 5-6 times the price!

Question for guys running a wideband, do you use the aux output to replace the standard narrow band signal to the ECU?

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I didn't, I ran the narrowband in the stock dump location, the wideband a foot down and a temp probe right at the turbine outlet. The dump looked like a mess.

One output to the gauge and the other into the Emanage.

I have a bung welded on my front pipe after the merge and wondering how everyone is running the wiring into the cabin, I don't want to go through the firewall

I had look underneath passenger side but can't see anything I can work with.. Am a lil blind btw :)

Innovate released a new O2 gauge setup in November last year, It's called the MTX-L, unlike the LC-1 that has a control unit and then a gauge seperate, the MTX-L has everything contained within the gauge. This keeps the cost down as they were aiming to make it the cheapest Wideband in the market.

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php

MTXL_All_Web.jpg

I picked mine up for $199 + Postage from;

http://www.superiorautoparts.com.au

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I have a bung welded on my front pipe after the merge and wondering how everyone is running the wiring into the cabin, I don't want to go through the firewall

I had look underneath passenger side but can't see anything I can work with.. Am a lil blind btw :)

I run mine up through the gearshifter hole.

run myne through with the main engine loom into the passenger footwell

i like the idea of the controller integrated into the gauge. wonder if they're gonna be more reliable than the lc-1s tho. still use the same bosch sensor which is a little gay (killed 1 in only a few months of limited use).

Like I said, my Bosch sensor is still going strong after over a year on Ethanol and 100 dyno runs, mounted close to the turbo. I know moisture can ruin them if installed in the wrong orientation but I guess there are always bad batches. I know Trent had to change them regularly and I suggested to him it could be because the cars were being tuned and running rich as F*#K causing carbon to build up on the sensor. Only a theory though.

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