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The majority of potential newcomers to the sport are driving MX5’s or Clubmans sad really, would be great to see more imports at each round and some younger people out there having fun. Most of the field would be over 35 I would say and a lot are over 50 years old.

So if we can get more imports to each round there would be a good chance the rules would start to change to suit Nissan imports

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What do you reckon the majority of potential newcomers to the sport are driving?

SII RXC7s? I cant remember the last time i saw/heard a ported rotary on the street :whistling:

I suggest most newcomers are MX5 owners because import owners are being dicked?

Also, what are the odds that many of the MX5s are actually imports and not locally delivered?

yeah, that's why I said potential newcomers. look at the number of imports at other trackdays in NSW if you want to see your potential newcomers to NSW Supersprints.

Precisely. there are shitloads of silvia platformed cars out there doing time attack and sprints etc, not to mention the amount of skylines running around or being built atm.

Most of these including myself would love to venture in to other forms of motorsport but the rules and regs make it a minefield.

I take it back then. They didn't cherry pick the CAMS manual to exclude imports, they redefined the CAMS def'n of Production car specifically to exclude imports from Types 1 and 2.

how's this?

"In general, the Type rules are a combination of Circuit Racing Classes from the CAMS Manual (Types 3, 4 and 5) and categories to suit the more standard, road-registered cars used by newcomers to the sport."

What do you reckon the majority of potential newcomers to the sport are driving?

I'll answer that one. Late model japanese imports. and guess what, they get screwed because blokes in the V8 commodore don't want to get caned in type1 or 2. how is this encouraging some bloke with stock 32 GTR or stock S15 to race when they have to run in SVD. that is bullshit.

but I appreciate your time GTR32G in answering and I'm not directing my abuse at you so please don't take it that way.

I wouldnt say people are buying MX5's because of the classes vs an import

they are cheap hacks! haha

plus they arent that competitive against honda's etc out there

The majority of potential newcomers to the sport are driving MX5’s or Clubmans sad really, would be great to see more imports at each round and some younger people out there having fun. Most of the field would be over 35 I would say and a lot are over 50 years old.

So if we can get more imports to each round there would be a good chance the rules would start to change to suit Nissan imports

well that's the problem. I've seen plenty of people with their silvia/skylines etc who'd love to give it a go but the rules are stacked against them. they are not keen to keep turning up just to bang their heads against a wall hoping the rules will change to be more even.

how many ferrari F430s are sold in aus? I wonder if I rocked up in one and entered type 1 would they knock me back? probably only if I was quick. if I was slow they'd love me out there for all the people who could say they knocked off a wanker ferrari driver.

Nissan Aus only sold 100 R32 GTRs didn't they? So that's not allowed in Type 1 or 2.

Imported S15s are just as eligible as locally sold ones. Their rules specify that more than 200 of the model must have been sold locally, not that your car must have been one of the local cars.

apparently they added the 'more than 200' clause to exclude R32 GTRs (I should add this complete rumour and I have no idea if true or not). I can't think of many other cars that fit that requirement short of exotica like lambos etc which are not sold her by their manufacturer anyway. it's all bullshit. the intention of the rules is clear. to put any late model japanese high performance cars (namely 'imports') into categories in which they cannot be competetive. Crazy to think you can run an R35 GTR in type 1 or 2 but not a 32 GTR...

apparently they added the 'more than 200' clause to exclude R32 GTRs. I can't think of many other cars that fit that requirement short of exotica like lambos etc which are not sold her by their manufacturer anyway. it's all bullshit. the intention of the rules is clear. to put any late model japanese high performance cars (namely 'imports') into categories in which they cannot be competetive. Crazy to think you can run an R35 GTR in type 1 or 2 but not a 32 GTR...

How deep is the hate. It may well take this total generation of rule makers to die out before the old wounds will begin to heal.

I think it's more the fact of a big boom in entrants in a number of classes in the 80s and early 90s. by the late 90s these guys realised they would no longer be competitive against new hi po jap turbo cars. and by this stage that 'generation' had progressed to the point where many were club execs, presidents, members of CAMS board etc. basically the rule makers. so they devised classes that would enable them to stay competitive in older machinery. look at combined touring and improved production for example. 80s model RX7 is about the best choice of car if you are serious about winning a state IPRA championship. now surely something better has come along since then? yes it has but they are all hobbled by the rules.

that's the slightly paranoid version.

the other version is that the rules were set up in the 80s and early 90s and have not evolved to suit modern day popular street/track cars. and it's just a matter of updating the rules to be more inclusive of the mid-late 90s jap turbo machinery that is now in big numbers here in aus.

IP is just full of turbo hating old farts who want to race in the same cars they created the catagory for. Last weekend was the final round of IP for the year... there were 0 entries. Apparently 700+ hp is OK, as long as it's a V8.

Crazy to think you can run an R35 GTR in type 1 or 2 but not a 32 GTR...

Then I guess we have to wait for them to update rules to exclude the R35 from type 1/2 before we make the conclusion they are out to get Jap imports. If they really had the hidden agenda, why would they even try to cover it up? Surely they could get away with just coming out and saying it anyway - if there's enough support from the competition to maintain these rules, then there's enough support not to give a shit what the outsiders say when their vehicles are banned. I think your latter explanation is more likely (unless of course they are waiting for everything else to supersede 90's imports before allowing them to compete):

the other version is that the rules were set up in the 80s and early 90s and have not evolved to suit modern day popular street/track cars. and it's just a matter of updating the rules to be more inclusive of the mid-late 90s jap turbo machinery that is now in big numbers here in aus.

But who really knows how people think. Motorsport is a funny thing...people will do anything to win :banana:

Then I guess we have to wait for them to update rules to exclude the R35 from type 1/2 before we.........................

Well then, news is... AWD Turbos ARE excluded from Type 1, including R35 GTR (NSW Sprint rule introduced this year). So there you go.

Also AWD Turbo's cannot have ECU mods in type 2 whatsoever. To ensure stock boost. However, you can run a 6L V8 with massive cam, compression, and any tune you so desire.

1.12 Provided they comply with these Type Regulations, Four Wheel Drive Turbos are permitted to compete as a Type 2 vehicle but they are not permitted any of the engine modification freedoms contained in Regulations 3.1 to 3.15 inclusive of these Type 2 Vehicle Regulations but they are permitted the engine modification freedoms contained in Regulations 3.1 to 3.3 inclusive of the Type 1 Vehicle Regulations. No EMS Modifications are permitted on Four Wheel Drive Turbos.

I guess there are inconsistent rules/compromises everywhere to keep some people happy

:banana:

Such is life@!

Well then, news is... AWD Turbos ARE excluded from Type 1, including R35 GTR (NSW Sprint rule introduced this year). So there you go.

Also AWD Turbo's cannot have ECU mods in type 2 whatsoever. To ensure stock boost. However, you can run a 6L V8 with massive cam, compression, and any tune you so desire.

I guess there are inconsistent rules/compromises everywhere to keep some people happy

:D

Such is life@!

Once again, NSW Supersprint and Hillclimb rules aren't consistent, there both supposedly conducted under speed event rules - as per the CAMs manual - and when the rules are there, who gives a f%#$ if they are followed some entrants don't, CAMs don't, officials don't. Your'e totally correct Duncan, for Type 2, if its a V8 its basically free, non turbo.

As I said previously I reckon CAMs days are numbered, whats the members getting?

It's quite clear theres lots not happy, not just on this site!

Its not about CAMs making everyone happy, its about making rules that cater for the majority / what year it is / and not changing the bloody things every twelve months excessively - firstly all states have to come into line - its bullsh&* to go to 3 states at national level and not even have classes consistent eg last years Aussie SS title couldn't be defended / contested this year the class wasn't even there.

Exactly the same happened with the Aussie Hillclimb Championships in SA - title could not be defended / contested.

Suxs hey, contact your state member - you won't get any answer anyway - but maybe we can make them aware - there is more of us interested in motorsport than those behind closed meetings, closed doors, closed surveys.

Cheers

Like I said earlier, it would be better if they adopted time attack style classes with RWD, FWD, AWD, TURBO, N/A as well as engine capacity.

Plus I agree with Stuart and Duncan about the lack of consistency across different states and competitions. CAMS is a national governing body isn't it?, why then is there different rules for different states?

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