2011 F1 Thread

[wolverine]

Do the computer nerds dial in some data into the start mode of the ecu?

I presumed a decent throttle opening dials up the prescribed rpm (no more) then release clutch on lights out. Once motoring, the right foot does the rest. Anti-stall in the event of bog down.

Or is it completely manual??

[Doobs]

Pretty sure that would be considered launch control, so not allowed.

[Roy]

The clutch, diff settings can all be adjusted in accordance with an engine map that stops you turning the tyres. What you cant do is monitor front wheel speed relative to rear and alter the engien map in a closed loop configuration

[tweety bird]

news of the day

pf1

jb hasn't ginen up yet

"I'm a racing driver, and I know how these things can suddenly change around, so I know that it's never over 'til it's over," the 31-year-old said during the Vodafone VIP Live Q&A at the Manchester demo run.

"It would be disappointing to think that he's uncatchable. There are still seven races remaining - that's 175 points if you won them all - and you never know what might happen, so it's definitely still game on."

Lotus-Renault GP team owner Gerard Lopez admits he is surprised by Nick Heidfeld's decision to take legal action against the team.

Heidfeld has decided to go down the legal route after Renault handed his race seat to Bruno Senna for the rest of the season. His hearing is expected to take place in three weeks and the German is confident he will come out victorious.

"Well if we would not be confident that we had a case then we wouldn't follow it up, so yes I believe that is the situation," he told BBC Sport during the Belgian Grand Prix.

Lopez, whose Genii Capital is the majority shareholder in Renault, told the Tageblatt Luxembourg that Heidfeld's performances before his axing were below par.

"He had all the normal pressures and we told him that it was not, in our opinion, what we expected from him," he said.

"He was always treated us with respect and he will continue to do so because he is still member of the team."

When asked if he was surprised by Heidfeld's decision to go to court, Lopez replied: "I'd say that was the emotional reaction of a man who likes to race for a living. Surprising, yes."

[sh@un]

watching them do burnouts just before they take a grid box for their practice start is fantastic. In monaco, if you're anywhere near the pit straight is absolutley deafening

gotta wonder how the rich-ass mofo's that live there have put up with the yearly intrusion for so long- or maybe prince Ranier Wolfcastle just tells them to stfu or gtfo when anyone complains

[ctjet]

If only i was smart enough to upload some of the vids i have to youtube, your pretty liitle head would explode

Definately going back for another GP. Couldnt imageine going there if there wasnt a race on, it'd feel like a wasted opportunity

[ctjet]

Edited August 31, 2011 by ctjet

[tweety bird]

news of the day

pf1

2012 F1 calendar

18 March - Australia

25 March - Malaysia

15 April - China

22 April - Bahrain

13 May - Spain

27 May - Monaco

10 June - Canada

24 June - Europe

08 July - Great Britain

22 July - Germany

29 July - Hungary

02 September - Belgium

09 September - Italy

23 September - Singapore

07 October - Japan

14 October - Korea

28 October - India

04 November - Abu Dhabi

18 November - United States

25 November - Brazil

yep the sphincter of the universe's gone

Edited August 31, 2011 by tweety bird

[Ant97GTR]

I presumed a decent throttle opening dials up the prescribed rpm (no more) then release clutch on lights out. Once motoring, the right foot does the rest. Anti-stall in the event of bog down.

To the best of my knowledge, while the lights count down (or is that up ) the driver releases the clutch paddle to a pre-set point which engages the driveline. The driver then dials up the correct revs and when the lights go out eases out (as opposed to a dump) the rest of the clutch paddle.

The pre-set clutch point is dialled in both by the computer nerds and by the practice starts. Despite all this I fail to see what is going wrong with Webbers starts. He is one of the most experienced drivers out there and plenty of drivers with less experience seem to get away ok. The driver also gets to practice their starts so if there was something wrong with Webbers technique surely he would be able to dial it in during practices. The same goes with the car - if there was something wrong with the clutch pre sets the team has had plenty of chance to rectify it.

[Tektrader69]

thanks for the replies. I didnt have much of an idea how they actually set the car up for a start like that.

I wonder how much of this can be blamed on Webbs !!! Seems that this is automated to the point that the drivers doesnt have to think much about releasing the clutch. You would be essentially a passenger.

Wouldnt you think the dicks setting the throttle and clutch presets would have got this right by now. If I was Mark I would be pretty pissed. Luckily he has managed to pull some good finishes in any case purely by his driving.

Even Vetool's starts havent been all that great the last dozen races. So obviously there is some programming work to do.

[Beer Baron]

fck it can't be hard. my old R35 GTR had 'launch control' that was perfectly acceptable and event a retard could use it. select the right swithces, mash throttle to floor, hold foot on brake (doesn't need to be hard) car automatically brings revs up to the desired point (about 5,000 in this case, more like 15,000 I'd guess in an F1 car) and also engages the clutch to the right part. when it's time to leave you simply release the brake pedal (it's only acting as a switch so any button would do) and the car automatically releases the brakes (which have been locked on) and releases the clutch at the right speed and lets the revs go.

no reason it needs to be any harder in an F1 car. I know it'd need some fine tuning for different tracks and different tyres but it wouldn't be much of a change just move the revs up or down a bit. perhaps the rules in F1 prevent a bit of this stuff as I know teams did set up their 'launch control' so that it actually doubled as a low speed corner traction control system too.

but yeah it's shithose how bad webbers starts are. as much as I love the guy and think he's an awesome driver I do seem to remember some poor starts in other F1 cars too (though they were all pretty shit cars so it may be coincidental).

[Roy]

Thinking about it his starts cost him the WDC last year. He was on the front row in Valencia, at the end of the first lap he was 10th or something and ended up hittinh Heikki and a DNF. His Spa start last year cost him the win. His start in Malaysia cost him the win But i still luvs ya Webz

[Ant97GTR]

fck it can't be hard. my old R35 GTR had 'launch control' that was perfectly acceptable and event a retard could use it. select the right swithces, mash throttle to floor, hold foot on brake (doesn't need to be hard) car automatically brings revs up to the desired point (about 5,000 in this case, more like 15,000 I'd guess in an F1 car) and also engages the clutch to the right part. when it's time to leave you simply release the brake pedal (it's only acting as a switch so any button would do) and the car automatically releases the brakes (which have been locked on) and releases the clutch at the right speed and lets the revs go.

yeah Baron but an automated launch control is no longer allowed afaik. The pre set clutch point simply sets the clutch at the point where the driveline is engaged but the car isn't moving forward. The driver then needs to balance the revs against releasing the clutch lever much the same as us mere mortals need to balance the accel with the clutch pedal.

[dezz]

Launch control in f1 would be terrible. Basically every car would get the perfect start, what's the point of that?

Stop making excuses for him and just accept that he's a hack when it comes to launching

[PHaT MR30]

bring back a manual clutch, that will sort the good starters from the playstation babies

[iamhe77]

bring back a manual clutch, that will sort the good starters from the playstation babies

and an H pattern shift gate

[djr81]

bring back a manual clutch, that will sort the good starters from the playstation babies

Bring back the foot operated clutch I say.

[wolverine]

Bring back three on the tree.

[N1GTR]

F that - bring back V10's!!!

[Roy]

Listen to you bunch. You want your race car drivers to use a 3rd pedal and column shift but you all pine over an overweight Auto R35 with all the usual fish finders, electric toothbrushes etc such cars come with