2011 F1 Thread

[hrd-hr30]

lol, its not meant to be easy mate - he's not getting lapped.

I doubt it would have taken Schumacher in a McLaren 27 laps to pass Hamilton in a Mercedes... Schumacher made him look very ordinary. As did Jenson for that matter! And that's before we even mention the restart where the oldest bloke in the field caught the young star napping... Maybe Hamilton should hang up the gloves if he can't pass this old washed up bloke in less than 27 laps.

[wolverine]

Yes, however was Jensen running a different 7th gear. He was clearly not on the rev limiter when he blew past Schuey.

Ahh shit, I am defending Lewis now.

[mad082]

i think DRS at monza was a bit of a let down. the fact that so many people were sitting on the limiter it made it a bit of a useless assist (as proved by hamo).

was good to hear that the commentators are also sick of the tools finger

[Galois]

Interesting article, some more qualified views than ours on the controversy too.

bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2011/09/post_2.html

[Angus Smart]

Interesting article, some more qualified views than ours on the controversy too.

bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2011/09/post_2.html

ahh schuey made that race exciting, hamo was just trying to finish for once.

we should all invest in a fast private Uk proxy... no more adds on one hd, and i'd like a hd looking stream

[hrd-hr30]

bbc.co.uk tells me all I need to know about their opinions on that dice without bothering to read it...

[hrd-hr30]

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Edited September 12, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[chef_stagea]

Can u actualy buy a stream to watch that doesnt lag etc etc. Id be keen.

Also they talk about "red button" on the set top

Box.

Or is onehd and shitty streams gna b my only go?

[hrd-hr30]

Yes, however was Jensen running a different 7th gear. He was clearly not on the rev limiter when he blew past Schuey.

Ahh shit, I am defending Lewis now.

that's not defending Hamilton, it's pointing out one of his mistakes.

[Angus Smart]

Can u actualy buy a stream to watch that doesnt lag etc etc. Id be keen.

Also they talk about "red button" on the set top

Box.

Or is onehd and shitty streams gna b my only go?

well we could get a decent proxy, and just watch it on bbc.co.uk/sport or wherever the link is.. tho i am not sure on the quality on there.

i usually watch streams online that dont lag ever, but the quality isnt 100% tho everything on screen is still readable.

one hd stream is just as bad as watching one hd.. would be good if some smarty could hack in and stea.... borrow the stream that one hd get..

[wolverine]

that's not defending Hamilton, it's pointing out one of his mistakes.

lol

phew

[sh@un]

that's not defending Hamilton, it's pointing out one of his mistakes.

assuming Lewis made the decision about the 7th gear ratio

[Beer Baron]

yeah no one forced hamilton into whatever ratio he chose. just like everyone else it's a compromise between faster acceleration (good overall lap time) or higher top speed (great for passing and defending but not so good overall). and vettel made the same compromise work for him (got I hate saying that).

schuey V2 might not be what he was but he's still got some spark left.

and unlike vettel he didn't walk into the best car on the grid straight out of primary school. schuey built that team from nothing and then reaped rewards from his years of hard work. people might have gotten sick of ferrari pounding everyone and cheating like the little buggers they are but the fact is 'till schuey and brawn and company came along they had been no-where.

at that point no one could build a team like schuey/brawn/todt. and it kept on working for close enough to 10 years. lets not forget scheuy very nearly won his last WDC in his last year at ferrari to make it 8 WDC (apart from the 7 WDCs he was 3rd 3 times, and 2nd twice including that last year at Ferrari in 2006). So it's fair to say but for a few little fckups it's not hard to imagine he'd have been a 12 time world champion....

not bad for a german with a chin so big he can't see down to do up his own belts!

and I'm with harry, he schooled hamilton on how to race hard. he didn't put him in the wall or damage his car. yes he may have squeezed him a bit but as harry said hamilton was pretty cheeky to think he'd get down the inside there and with only his front wing and schueys rear tyres schuey had every right to shut the door. given how fast things happen when schuey decided to shut the door hamilton was probably still a bit behind him. things happen fast at 300km/h...

[djr81]

yeah no one forced hamilton into whatever ratio he chose. just like everyone else it's a compromise between faster acceleration (good overall lap time) or higher top speed (great for passing and defending but not so good overall). and vettel made the same compromise work for him (got I hate saying that).

Overwhelmingly it is the engineers who decide that stuff. Vettel went short on the ratios and he got away with it because of his qualifying. It did not affect his race. I still cant figure out how you can be into the limiter for so long and still spank everyone by 0.5 seconds.

schuey V2 might not be what he was but he's still got some spark left.

and unlike vettel he didn't walk into the best car on the grid straight out of primary school. schuey built that team from nothing and then reaped rewards from his years of hard work. people might have gotten sick of ferrari pounding everyone and cheating like the little buggers they are but the fact is 'till schuey and brawn and company came along they had been no-where.

at that point no one could build a team like schuey/brawn/todt. and it kept on working for close enough to 10 years. lets not forget scheuy very nearly won his last WDC in his last year at ferrari to make it 8 WDC (apart from the 7 WDCs he was 3rd 3 times, and 2nd twice including that last year at Ferrari in 2006). So it's fair to say but for a few little fckups it's not hard to imagine he'd have been a 12 time world champion....

not bad for a german with a chin so big he can't see down to do up his own belts!

Yeah, fair point. I mean who had heard of Ferrari before Schumacher came along. What had they ever achieved?

and I'm with harry, he schooled hamilton on how to race hard. he didn't put him in the wall or damage his car. yes he may have squeezed him a bit but as harry said hamilton was pretty cheeky to think he'd get down the inside there and with only his front wing and schueys rear tyres schuey had every right to shut the door. given how fast things happen when schuey decided to shut the door hamilton was probably still a bit behind him. things happen fast at 300km/h...

Schumacher did the same thing he has done any number of times. Doesn't make it right, however.

If he didnt put Hamilton into the wall it is only because Hamilton somehow gathered it all up on the grass at god only knows how many hundred km/h.

Anyway todays question should be who should MB sign to replace Schumacher. Preferably someone who can keep up with Rosberg.

Edited September 13, 2011 by djr81

[260DET]

Hamilton's problem with passing is just like Webber's problem with starting, so constant and reoccuring that it is obvious to all I would have thought. And Schumaker has been passed by everyone this season including by a couple of grid girls. Add those two together and it should be clear what the situation was at Monza with H trying to pass S.

Edited September 13, 2011 by 260DET

[hrd-hr30]

Overwhelmingly it is the engineers who decide that stuff. Vettel went short on the ratios and he got away with it because of his qualifying. It did not affect his race. I still cant figure out how you can be into the limiter for so long and still spank everyone by 0.5 seconds.

easy. its like drag racing. its about your average speed down the straight. accelleration in the first half of the straight is better than in the second half because every mph you put on earlier is carried for a longer distance.

Hamilton's gearing was probably better for laptimes, and he was banking on being ahead of Vettel at the 1st turn thanks to starting on the clean side. Alonso ruined that plan.

Schumacher's gearing was probably based on him making a few spots on the start, as he usually does, and then being able to hold onto the positions by outdragging everyone - you've got to play to your strengths, and corners are not the Merc's strong suits.

[hrd-hr30]

And Schumaker has been passed by everyone this season including by a couple of grid girls.

he's not in the list of most overtaken, but he has done more than his fair share of passing. from cliptheapex...

Most overtaking moves (season):

Jenson Button 67

Michael Schumacher 59

Mark Webber 58

Felipe Massa 55

Sebastien Buemi 52

Edited September 13, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[Beer Baron]

yes yes ferrari were a great team but they had not won a constructors title since 1982 when schuey came along and won with them in 1999 (though they got 2nd in his first 2 years no thanks to irvine).. and they had not had a driver of theirs win a drivers championship since the 70s (with lauda and schekter) ffs when schuey won it in 2000. so given 20 years of no ferrari driver having held a WDC I think it's fair to say scheuy was a big part of turning those guys around. Mclaren and williams (and briefly scheuy in his benneton) had been spanking ferraris for the whole of the 80s and 90s.

it's not even remotely like what happened to vettel. he walked into a team that had just hit it's straps with the most money, best car, good engine, best aero and a great stable development team (including webber) to push it onwards.

[NickR33]

Webber is 3rd on the list because he botches the start then spends the rest of the race passing them all back again

ps. Baron loves Seb

[djr81]

yes yes ferrari were a great team but they had not won a constructors title since 1982 when schuey came along and won with them in 1999 (though they got 2nd in his first 2 years no thanks to irvine).. and they had not had a driver of theirs win a drivers championship since the 70s (with lauda and schekter) ffs when schuey won it in 2000. so given 20 years of no ferrari driver having held a WDC I think it's fair to say scheuy was a big part of turning those guys around. Mclaren and williams (and briefly scheuy in his benneton) had been spanking ferraris for the whole of the 80s and 90s.

it's not even remotely like what happened to vettel. he walked into a team that had just hit it's straps with the most money, best car, good engine, best aero and a great stable development team (including webber) to push it onwards.

Yeah I was just shit stirring Baron. Ferrari was rubbish because it was so disorganised. They should have won atleast half of the WDC's between Scheckter & Schumacher. Not like they were lacking for anything.

Anyway on the upside Jody is busy these days:

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