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eh.. i think its the white one..

still a toyota.. just suprised me for the price at second hand wholesale auction..

why do so many people give a shit about this pettett shit.. theres two threads now...FFS talk about seeking attention

Was typing up this response to the other thread when it got LOCKED so now my thoughtful contribution will have to be relegated to the wasteland but anyway......maybe if @R31Nismoid feels it fair then he can move it across - regardless.....

This has all been pretty interesting but I think it's largely hyperbole. I think people should take a step back and think about what the actual outcome vs the intended outcome will be.

I can understand the enthusiasts reaction, and I can understand the VicPol reaction.

VicPol will be rubbing their hands together - whoever created that facebook page with best intentions has effectively created a fantastic PR opportunity for VicPol to grandstand and appeal to the masses of society who are already offside with 'hoons' - to paint it as a targeted and vindictive attack on one of their own. Already they struggle to control a public image issue whereby people feel they can challenge police verbally, physically and legally at every turn. When you combine this with a communication medium that is already being widely panned for 'trolling' and other unsavoury conduct - it is the perfect scenario for people to amplify an already poor opinion of the car enthusiast community. Forget the details of the particular fine. It's a 'win/win' for them.

For car enthusiasts, I understand the frustration we have in that we are already disempowered by public opinion that won't allow us a voice of reason - even when members of this forum have attended so called 'open discussions' for current affair programs, the footage is so edited and twisted that any represetation always falls upon the lowest common denominator - the few 'bad apples' that bring the whole scene down. So to lash out and target one identifiable personality within the HWP probably seemed like a desperate (and as it turns out, effective) way of bringing attention to our 'plight'. But probably not the best way. When you couple a general misunderstanding of the community to a complete lack of understanding of the ADR laws which we're being held to - getting any sympathy from the general public is going to be futile. Case in point - this Dylan fella with the 86 is referring to 'factory spec DRL's' - I guarantee that 95% of people who heard that radio interview would have no idea what DRL's are. Thus they walk away with the same opinion that continues to hold us down - that we're all young, rebellious, overly opinionated and refusing to accept responsibility.

I don't know what the answer is - I would say 'write a letter' but we all know full well that it will fall upon deaf ears. I would say nominate a well spoken and informed 'enthusiast' to represent the community in a public debate - but that was tried and failed. So the best thing I can think of is to just continue to represent the community as best as you can - attend sanctioned events and behave accordingly, re-educate misinformed people about our community in an intelligent and level headed way when possible, and above all - resist the temptation to conform to the stereotype. If it means staying away from the cruise hot spots, driving defensively and sedately in heavy traffic, and not deliberately pushing your luck with outrageous wheel fitment, exhausts and ride height - we can try prevent a bad situation from continuing to become worse.

Yeh Missus bought it at a present birthday/christmas, with a couple of extras like the underwater thingo and a suction cap.

LOL my missus wanted to buy me one for Christmas, dam aren't we lucky mens. hahaha

So yeah, I'm just sussing it out not wanting to get a crappy one.

The amazing Juliette has it recorded and she's recorded it Foxtel -> Phone (better than nothing) and is currently uploading to youtube. Will post it here for ya when she's done :)

I'm shocked, they showed both sides of the story. There's hope for Australian media yet...

Now if the sheeple who believe that anyone copping flack from police must be a hoon doing something wrong, could be convinced otherwise...

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