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here here for work life balance!

my boss tells me to go home at 4:30 which is ace, if i dont leave he asks why am i staying back and that i should go home

in my old job if i left at 5:45 they would ask why and expect you to work till 6pm and you would end up getting home at like 7pm = ASS

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i was thinking of doing the following:

CPA (might finish, might postpone - depending on the job i get next)

PT course - almost done

Grad Dip counselling - 1 year to finish.

Grad dip psych - 1 year full time

4th year psych - 1 year full time

PHD psych - 3 years full time

Would this work well? I also wanted to get training in NLP and positive psychology - as that is supposed to complement psych very well? What are your thoughts on this?

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Me? I'd still complete the current course as others have mentioned. Perhaps it can dovetail with your Psych degrees later on.

4th year Psych is an Hons year.

If you want to do an M.A. (Psych) you can opt to do either thesis or coursework depending on the institution I think.

Ph.D. of course will be a thesis.

Neurolinguistic Programming is an interesting field that helps clients to convert salient points into something quite significant through anchoring. It's very compatible with Cognitive Behavioural work.

Hypnotherapy has an advantage over straight counselling in that if a client has suffered PTSD, the client doesn't have to relive the incident as he/she tries to break through from being a victim towards survivor mode. Hypnotherapy can help the client be a third person onlooker of the incident; as if the client is in the ceiling looking down on what's going on.

I lectured on 'The Outcomes of PTSD' 2 weeks ago at a practitioner symposium and ... 'How to reverse a vicious circle'.

Mind you, I'm not a clinical psychologist as I haven't gone back to do postgrads.

A clinical psychologist (with post-grads all done) can command fees of about $180/hr if in private practice - but Medicare might only reimburse some smaller proportion of that. There's quite a demand for our type of work.

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My take....

I work in IT... have done since finishing school... doing well and earn good money... but i'm bored bat sh!t and theres only so far i can go and stay at the pointy end... and each year the work force gets younger... so i cant keep up forever.

I've been offered the possibility of doing accountancy and heading towards a CPA... guarenteed work for an establish accountancy firm and possibly the business should the boss retire in a few years time.

Accountancy doesnt interest me... but money does and only working hard for 1/2 to 3/4 of the year sounds good to me too (this is the pattern that the current boss works).

It would mean that at the end of the day i'm doing a job that i dont find super excitring... but the fact that i'm doing that now is also becoming apparent.

What is exciting tho, is that instead i could be working a job with great money.. and plenty of time to go out and enjoy life and its perks.

Greed is a great motivator... but many people place a high importance on enjoying your job.

I've come to beleive that there will always be a day when you become bored of your job, and you cant always swap careers...

Sometimes, if you have something that will set you up and let you get on with enjoying all things in life that ARENT work.... its worth doing.

even if it is boring.

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^^^... tempered by this I guess,

"I'm a firm believer that people only do their best at things they truly enjoy. It is difficult to excel at something you don't enjoy."

Jack Nicklaus

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6 figures since you were 19-20 with presumably some sort of trade/high school cert....wtf!

or perhaps selling drugs?

nah just finished year 12 with a enter of 46 didnt give a shit about school i knew the path that would get me what i wanted at that stage ( a nice car) and luckily my hard work has paid off might say 'im gifted with the gab'

i sell houses by the way..

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nah just finished year 12 with a enter of 46 didnt give a shit about school i knew the path that would get me what i wanted at that stage ( a nice car) and luckily my hard work has paid off might say 'im gifted with the gab'

i sell houses by the way..

Out of all the most financially successful people I know - none of them went to uni and all got low to medium enter scores. One freak even started earning big coin while still at high school.

All my friends that went to uni are either (a) still there 10 years on, or (b) walked in to mediocre graduate positions and a SLOWLY climing like on about ~70-80k / year. I laugh at them...

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Out of all the most financially successful people I know - none of them went to uni and all got low to medium enter scores. One freak even started earning big coin while still at high school.

All my friends that went to uni are either (a) still there 10 years on, or (b) walked in to mediocre graduate positions and a SLOWLY climing like on about ~70-80k / year. I laugh at them...

I just started my graduate position last week :action-smiley-069:

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Yeah for what it is worth I did a degree in Biology as it was something that interested me and afterwords worked in that field for a couple of years for not much coin.

I now work in manufacturing in a field which doesn't really interest me all that much, but it allows me to do all the things I love in my spare time.

I find I'm much happier now than I was before in life.

If you look at daily life it can be basically broken up into 3 parts. Work, Sleep and Peronsal Time. We all need to sleep so there is not much that can be done about that time - but the other 2 you can choose to a degree how you spend it. I don't hate my job by any stretch and I work my best at it - but I'd happily do another that provides me with the same personal time lifestyle even if I didn't like it much either.

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I certainly do not love my job... nor find it overtly enjoyable (it's boring as fark now)... It is a means to an end, and I'm good at it - so it's not really hard work.

My job does have reasonable flexibility (even if i am a semi-shift worker) & pay is solid and i get to do everything i want to do. :action-smiley-069:

- Save cash

- Live 15mins walk to the CBD

- Play with cars (even if i've not driven mine in, forever), SAU club and so on

- Get O/S on average once a year, interstate 4-5 times etc etc.

- Not worry about spending - eg if i go out for dinner with mates and its $100/head, no issues. I don't need to count my pennies badly at all.

- Entertainment items (Super deluxe TV/couch/bed/surround sound etc).

All the above makes me happy, so totally discounts any not-so-happy that goes on @ work... I cannot wait some days to get home and just sit on my couch and soak up all that i have as that's what i've worked for.

Some people are lucky and enjoy their jobs and are happy earning less... i'd rather earn more and enjoy my time OUT of the office.

Hell if you can have both then you are laughing, but that's not a reality for most people IMO.

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I just started my graduate position last week :wub:

:action-smiley-069:

If it is any consolation, while you are probably kicking back, I am still working and will be until the wee hours, then a few hours sleep and back into it... wish SAU would go down for a while so I can concentrate

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i sell houses by the way..

:wub:

I laugh at them...

:/

Nothing wrong with tertiary education. For every example of people making out as though they are all over educated idiots who dont earn bank, i can show you plenty of examples of people making a killing and enjoying a great lifesyle/life balance and income from their tertiary education.

I am only joking giving the thumbs down, but i do believe Australia do not value science and other specialised industries, with those that do it for their passion often no rewarded for their dedication and excellence. I am sure as shit not talking about myself there, but I know people who fit into this category and understand why people think that some degrees are a waste of space when you can earn very good money by other means. I do not see how a real estate agent can be earning more money then a scientist developing technology or medicines, seems a bit screwy to me.

"I'm a firm believer that people only do their best at things they truly enjoy. It is difficult to excel at something you don't enjoy."

Jack Nicklaus

:action-smiley-069:

I like my industry, i just hate the fact that global politics and economics mean that since 2000 its in the decline in Aus, which means i have to work overseas if i want to continue to work in the pharmaceutical industry.

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fair point but ill try perhaps offer some insight.. while everyone else gets 1 or 2 days off per week no matter what im lucky to get 1, i can usually count on a half a day sure there is plenty of flexibility in my hours but working till 8-9pm is standard just think if u were to sell ur house are you going to take time off to meet with me? not likely so i have to sacrifice my "personal time or time with the family" to accomodate you at all sorts of hours if you call you expect me to answer no matter if its 9pm friday night or my "day off" rain hail or shine we have to work put signs out do opens, yeh it all sounds whingy and stuff but believe me not many people last in real estate for a reason its a c*nt of a job and the money makes you think its worth while but if i added up the hours i work my hourly rate would be average at best and when i get buyers/vendors abusing the crap out of me cos they cant afford a house or missed out cos they took to long to make an offer or their house isnt sold because they read the herald sun so it must be worth 50k above market it sucks...

but i do agree science and things is underrated here bad, my best mates sister is an aero space engineer chance of getting a job in this country barely exists so it doesnt seem right

there are soo many ways to make a lot of money in this country given that australians are a fairly lazy nationality by comparison its not hard to rise above the masses, and just for the record im as australian as you will find born and bred but i have met so many people i am confident that is an accurate statement.. look at all the 7-11s owned by indians they make a fair load of coin, why? cos aussies are "too good" to do that.. all a bit off topic anyways emsta be more practical then wanting to like what you do focus on what you want in life and select the best vehicle to get you there/those things then you will be happy regardless work is work.

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ive gone through my life so far with not knowing what i want to do as a career and it does suck not having a real ambition to work towards something, ill be a manager soon but im mainly doing it for the experience and it should look good on my resume also.

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Completely agree Roy - love them all to death just give them a good digging - they were all laughing at me when I said uni was a waste of time, and predicted exactly where they would end up in 10 years!

I do highly value what our tertiary institutions provide, and dedication to persist with things people are passionate about - particularly in fields where there is little monetary benefit. Hey I come from a family of long suffering hard working musicians so know it too well.

I also personally don't have a learning style that works with any of the education systems I have been exposed to - I need to research and teach myself or it just doesn't stick so my path was clear cut. This is why I was able to jump straight into my field, I had already spent the last 10 years teaching myself in my spare time.

But yeah I am a massive believer in focusing on your passion - success whether monetary or otherwise will follow on its own.

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Completely agree Roy - love them all to death just give them a good digging - they were all laughing at me when I said uni was a waste of time, and predicted exactly where they would end up in 10 years!

I do highly value what our tertiary institutions provide, and dedication to persist with things people are passionate about - particularly in fields where there is little monetary benefit. Hey I come from a family of long suffering hard working musicians so know it too well.

I also personally don't have a learning style that works with any of the education systems I have been exposed to - I need to research and teach myself or it just doesn't stick so my path was clear cut. This is why I was able to jump straight into my field, I had already spent the last 10 years teaching myself in my spare time.

But yeah I am a massive believer in focusing on your passion - success whether monetary or otherwise will follow on its own.

plenty of money in that :happy:

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plenty of money in that :happy:

Yerrp. But! funnily enough talking about followng your passions - music and the 80s led my old man to programming drum machines, programming drum machines and a bit of passion for geography led to developing highly specialised bush fire prediction software - so got there in the end.

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fair point but ill try perhaps offer some insight.. while everyone else gets 1 or 2 days off per week no matter what im lucky to get 1, i can usually count on a half a day sure there is plenty of flexibility in my hours but working till 8-9pm is standard just think if u were to sell ur house are you going to take time off to meet with me? not likely so i have to sacrifice my "personal time or time with the family" to accomodate you at all sorts of hours if you call you expect me to answer no matter if its 9pm friday night or my "day off" rain hail or shine we have to work put signs out do opens, yeh it all sounds whingy and stuff but believe me not many people last in real estate for a reason its a c*nt of a job and the money makes you think its worth while but if i added up the hours i work my hourly rate would be average at best and when i get buyers/vendors abusing the crap out of me cos they cant afford a house or missed out cos they took to long to make an offer or their house isnt sold because they read the herald sun so it must be worth 50k above market it sucks...

At the end of the day nobody pays fools loads of money if they are not performing, well not for long anyway. So whether real estate or engineering, know the lack of personal time all too well. I work with various nationalities so often my nights are spent talking to the US, and days working in Singapore or India or wherever the hell they have me. Conference calls at 7.30pm on a Friday night because thats their Friday morning etc. Weekends, huh, be in construction or a manufaturing facility, they are all 7 day a week sites , often 24hours a day, but at least 18hour sites. So typically its a 6day week, 240-260 hour month.

So not a case of who has it worse, sure as shit i am happy enough to be doing it because i am doing it. But the bigger theme/picture here is just how unsustaianable many peoples working lives are these days. The pressures of saving for homes, just coping with the cost of living etc has us all working like dogs in respective industries/occupations. Govt complains about aging population, its because nobody can afford kids until they are in their mid 30s, especially after paying 50k for a wedding :happy:

The old story, you have to put in to..... ;)

But i do hope the Layercak theory of you take shit, and you keep takign shit until one day its you handing out the shit.

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