oSkylines Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Drawing Up a Build (R33 GTR) Whats up guys, just pricing out a build here and wanted to throw some prices and parts up to get a general idea of where i need to be and what all I should expect to get into coming from a completely stock, No upgrades, 1995 Skyline GTR So far, i have a relatively extensive list of parts drawn up, with links , prices, etc that are totaled to be over $15,000. My goal is to have an engine that is reliable, and puts down 450-500whp. The vehicle is not expected to be launched off the limiter, but should be able to withstand relatively frequent rolling pulls. I prefer to stay with twins, to retain stock appearance and minimize issues with law enforcement in my area. I would also like to entertain the thought of E85 tuning. Here is what i have so far.... Rb28 -- http://www.tomeiusa.com/_2003web-catalogue/e044_rb28_enginekit.html ($5280) Poncam 260 http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-143005-Poncam-Type-B-Camshafts-Set-Nissan-Skyline-GT-R-RB26DETT_p_10299.html ($522) 3.5inch catback (tomei expreme ti ? $1133.60 @ nengun) 1200c injectors http://www.andysautosport.com/products/deatschwerks__42M-01-1200-6.html ($559) Haltech ECU Platinum Prohttp://store.haltech.com/usastore/plug-n-play-ecu-kits/pro-plug-in-ecus/ht-055101-platinum-pro-direct-plug-in-nissan-r32-33-skyline-kit-manual-trans-only.html ($1519) Tomei Oil Pump Upgrade http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-193035-Oversized-Oil-Pump-RB26DETT_p_15635.html ($1242) Splitfire Coils frsport.com ($470) Arc Intercooler https://www.rhdjapan.com/arc-brazing-intercooler-smic-m073-bcnr33.html ($1036.76) Nismo Twin Plate Clutch https://www.rhdjapan.com/nismo-super-coppermix-twin-plate-clutch-r34-bnr32-bcnr33.html ($1373) GARRETT GT2860R-5 TURBOCHARGER x2 http://www.rawbrokerage.com/garrett-gt2860r-5-turbocharger/ $2200 Tomei High Flow Fuel Pump Upgrade 276LPH R34 RB26 http://www.frsport.com/High-Flow-Fuel-Pump-Upgrade-276LPH-R34-RB26_p_16721.html?gclid=CjwKEAjw1a3KBRCY9cfsmdmWgQ0SJAATUZ8bnJqHs9HsDnciNtYb7uh3kfPqSpnc_WZjOcSA3wNS5xoCx8rw_wcB ($540) Valve Springs, Dump pipes, Oil Cooler, Gauges (?) ApexiGT downpipe http://www.tf-works.com/apexi-gt-downpipes-90-02-nissan-skyline-gt-r-r32-r33-r34/ ($600) I will also attach this list as a notepad file if anybody has any information of the sort that they would like to add to and repost/resend. I understand that things like the rb28 kit might be overkill , if you have any other suggestions , or can definetly say i don't need , feel free to let me know. Very much new to the skyline scene and always searching and trying to gather as much information as i can. Thank you ! Skyline Build.txt Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve85 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 You should checkout the build of my car... I'll see if I can dig up a link for you. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSkylines Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 that would be awsome! i have since also priced out a nismo AFM, but havent gotten to add too much more to the list. Goal is 410kw so i would like to make approx 450whp . Any build thread with that , you can go ahead and send my way. I have been looking for ones with enough detail that i can follow it to a degree to come up with what I'm looking for, but surprisingly there doesnt seem to be anybody posting likes that arnt outragous 800-1000 whp goals and often after a few posts stop ( i assume because they realize the price involved) Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve85 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 https://www.sau.com.au/forums/index.php?/topic/450019-R33-Gtr-Lm-Limited-BuildupThis is probably overkill for what you need, but it never hurts to know what's out there.You probably would be more interested in someone who has done their build bit by bit, that way you can see what worked and more importantly what didn't. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSkylines Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 As a quick update , after researching basically all day , i have added a good amount of parts, as well as prioritized purchase order. will add in spoiler to prevent unnecessary scrolling for others. Spoiler Splitfire Coils https://www.rhdjapan.com/splitfire-super-direct-di-ignition-system-bnr32-bcnr33-wgnc34-r31-r32-r33-a31-z31-c33.html ($413 shipped) Haltech Elite 2500 +harnesseshttp://store.haltech.com/usastore/ht-151357-elite-2500-plug-n-play-adaptor-harness-ecu-kit-nissan-skyline-r32-33-gts-t-gt-r-r34-gt-r.html ($2232) Greddy Upgraded Sump with baffleshttp://www.kudosmotorsports.com/catalog/trust-greddy-sump-extension-nissan-skyline-stagea-wgnc34-260rs-rb26dett-p-1716.html ($550) TRUST Greddy oil cooler and oil filter relocation kit https://www.rhdjapan.com/trust-greddy-oil-cooler-filter-relocation-kit-10-row-bcnr33.html ($706) Tomei Oil Pump Upgrade http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-193035-Oversized-Oil-Pump-RB26DETT_p_15635.html ($1242) Arc Intercooler https://www.rhdjapan.com/arc-brazing-intercooler-smic-m073-bcnr33.html ($1036.76) tomei expreme ti ($1133.60 @ nengun) Mines Frontpipe Pro Titanium https://www.rhdjapan.com/mine-s-front-pipe-pro-titanium-skyline-gt-r.html ($1582) (can be substituted for Stainless steel for $665) Tomei High Flow Fuel Pump Upgrade 276LPH R34 RB26 http://www.frsport.com/High-Flow-Fuel-Pump-Upgrade-276LPH-R34-RB26_p_16721.html?gclid=CjwKEAjw1a3KBRCY9cfsmdmWgQ0SJAATUZ8bnJqHs9HsDnciNtYb7uh3kfPqSpnc_WZjOcSA3wNS5xoCx8rw_wcB ($540) MeisterR Zeta CRD Coiloverhttps://www.meisterr.com/products/zetacrd/ ($995) 1200c injectors http://www.andysautosport.com/products/deatschwerks__42M-01-1200-6.html ($559) GARRETT GT2860R-5 TURBOCHARGER x2 http://www.rawbrokerage.com/garrett-gt2860r-5-turbocharger/ $2200 Tomei turbo dump pipeshttp://jdmaccessories.com.au/product/tomei-exhaust-turbo-turbine-elbow-outlet-pipes-rb26dett-r32r33r34-2/ ($1022) Nismo AFMhttps://www.rhdjapan.com/nismo-rb26dett-engine-parts-air-flow-meter.html ($278) Poncam 260 http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-143005-Poncam-Type-b-Camshafts-Set-Nissan-Skyline-GT-R-RB26DETT_p_10299.html ($522) Mines Triple Flow Cam Cover Baffle Kithttp://justjap.com/mines-cam-cover-baffle-kit-nissan-skyline-gtr.html ($350) Nismo Twin Plate Clutch https://www.rhdjapan.com/nismo-super-coppermix-twin-plate-clutch-r34-bnr32-bcnr33.html ($1373) Rb28 -- http://www.tomeiusa.com/_2003web-catalogue/e044_rb28_enginekit.html ($5280) Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Stroker kit and cams are overkill. People have made this power with much less. Parts you've chosen are great and will achieve what you want, but if you want to save 10k, do this: Keep it 2.6 litres, and don't open the engine. Intercooler yes. Oil pump and sump upgrade yes. Coppermix yes. Splitfires yes. Full 3-3.5" exhaust yes. Injectors, fuel pump and AFM yes. Haltechs are awesome but a PFC would also do the job fine - preference up to you if you want a flex tune etc. Oil cooler, no harm having for added protection but generally not needed unless you're hitting the racetrack. Consider an aluminum radiator. -5 turbos with 98 should pretty easily make 450rwhp, 500+ with E85 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzilla32 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I am certainly not an expert (or even mediocre for that matter) but:1. If you are going Halaltech and MAP then upgrading your MAFs to Nismo AFMs is redundant.2. ARC intercoolers look awesome but probably better value / perf available. Also it is implies it is a sidemount?3. Exhaust same.4. Think you might need a higher lph fuel pump for e85.5. HPI dump pipes may yield higher flow than Tomei.6. Ignore what@Birds said as he may be tecnically correct but boring as over-engineering always yields *better* results. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Ignore advice that might be correct and save you a lot of money...well you were right about not being an expert 4 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSkylines Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 @Birds the cams and stroker kit were kind of placed in there for post engine death and rebuild , as i am sure when i have to build again, ill have upgrade fever and forged internals and cams seemed to be a smart idea if venturing to above 500whp. @Robzilla32 ill look into the map MAF thing, honestly every build thread i saw said upgrade afm (provided they could have not been using a MAP setup) so i threw them in there for peace of mind. Debating on going with a stainless downpipe to the tomei exhaust just to shed a 500ish dollars. Ill look into the higher tier fuel pump thing too, as your the first one so far that has suggested it being an issue . (not to say you're wrong, and i would prefer to upgrade further for a little more money if it prevents any issues) Also looking into flow of hpi vs tomei , but for the time being, if tomei is cheaper, im not too concerned with a little bit of lessened flow. anything is better than whats on there right now ahah. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSkylines Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 appreciate the insight @Birds will keep what you said in mind while purchasing parts. As to the intercooler thing, any reason specifically you suggest an aluminum one? out of all the intercooler kit options on RHDJapan , the arc seems to be one of the cheaper ones provided i dont go with Greddy, and even some of those get expensive. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSkylines Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 as for the HPI vs Tomei , the reason i had chosen Tomei was from a comment made on another forum when comparing options "HPI`s are ok. Tomei have a larger inner diameter. Midori Seibi have the largest inner Diameter. If the HKS with divided pipes are really better, no one knows. HKS says yes, Tomei no." -mhhforyou from the GTR UK forums Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Yes, no point wasting a perfectly good bottom end on a rebuild / stroker kit until it actually pops. But it all comes down to your budget / what you want to spend. If you've got deep pockets then go nuts, was just trying to save you money by shaving off unnecessary parts from the list, as your power goals aren't extraordinary and can be achieved with less. Less mods also = less law enforcement issues. I'd rather use that money for brakes, LSD, future gearbox upgrade, good tyres etc. but that's me. Aluminum radiator, not intercooler. These are a relatively cheap upgrade / prevention for engine overheat when giving it stick. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSkylines Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) i see you noticed my boost virginity. My bad, took a quick google to see that the difference was the mediums in which they cool, radiator being coolant, and intercooler being air . Thanks for pointing that out haha Koyo Racing Radiator added to master list on my pc, will definitely add it to one of my top top purchases. Actually , quick question for anybody. Will the upgraded oil pump work appropriately without the Haltech in first? I imagine it would, but Im sure somebody here knows better than i do. Edited June 24, 2017 by oSkylines Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzilla32 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Ignore advice that might be correct and save you a lot of money...well you were right about not being an expert [emoji6]Was taking the piss Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol1on1 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Stroker kit and cams are overkill. People have made this power with much less. Parts you've chosen are great and will achieve what you want, but if you want to save 10k, do this: Keep it 2.6 litres, and don't open the engine. Intercooler yes. Oil pump and sump upgrade yes. Coppermix yes. Splitfires yes. Full 3-3.5" exhaust yes. Injectors, fuel pump and AFM yes. Haltechs are awesome but a PFC would also do the job fine - preference up to you if you want a flex tune etc. Oil cooler, no harm having for added protection but generally not needed unless you're hitting the racetrack. Consider an aluminum radiator. -5 turbos with 98 should pretty easily make 450rwhp, 500+ with E85 I can back Birds up. 412rwhp 19psi 98fuel plenty room for more was said to me if i go mild (no machining) cams 260 n port n polishSounds mint and she's starts 4.5k all the way to 8k hard 12.2 1/4mi. Oil filter relocation kit and oil coolerTrust Greddy Suction Kit Trust Greddy Intercooler Kit Spec-R 115mm Trust Greddy Alloy Intake Pipe Set Samco Sport silicon hose kit Tomei metal gaskets plenum – throttle – headTomei adjustable cam gears2860-5 turbosHKS dump pipesHKS front pipeHi –Flow cat (Venom)Tomei Ti Extreme – 3.5” titanium cat backApexi Power FC d-jetroD-jetro means no air flowmeters HKS EVC V boost controllerSplitfire coilpacksID 1000cc injectorsWalbro 255l/ph fuel pumpN1 water pumpKoyo alloy radiator Can provide most part# if u want 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Robzilla32 said: Was taking the piss Tone and the internet rarely work together 2 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WantGTR Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 3 hours ago, pol1on1 said: I can back Birds up. 412rwhp 19psi 98fuel plenty room for more was said to me if i go mild (no machining) cams 260 n port n polish Sounds mint and she's starts 4.5k all the way to 8k hard 12.2 1/4mi. Oil filter relocation kit and oil cooler Trust Greddy Suction Kit Trust Greddy Intercooler Kit Spec-R 115mm Trust Greddy Alloy Intake Pipe Set Samco Sport silicon hose kit Tomei metal gaskets plenum – throttle – head Tomei adjustable cam gears 2860-5 turbos HKS dump pipes HKS front pipe Hi –Flow cat (Venom) Tomei Ti Extreme – 3.5” titanium cat back Apexi Power FC d-jetro D-jetro means no air flowmeters HKS EVC V boost controller Splitfire coilpacks ID 1000cc injectors Walbro 255l/ph fuel pump N1 water pump Koyo alloy radiator Can provide most part# if u want Thats a lot of work to run 12.2. What mph? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol1on1 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Not sure i bought it like that Was told 12.2 thats it Have not personally taken my self Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7836965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGTC Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 This is a great resource to see a list of builds and power results. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7837003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSkylines Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 Well after some research and speaking with Geoff from fullrace , i believe i would like to go with the Borg Warner EFR kit that fullrace offers. Spoiler will contain latest parts list. Geoff pointed out i will likely need to upgrade from the Nismo clutch to a stage three to prevent slipping, which kind of stinks for drivability, as im sure i will be spending a lot of time behind the wheel, but i would prefer to buy what i need once, so i suppose it isnt a bad idea. He also mentioned the need for some 1300cc injectors ( as opposed to my 1200cc) for the e85 tune. Feel free to mention any concerns you have with my list. Looking for 450ish whp , so i believe this setup gives me good response and is more than capable of this power level. Car only used for street, no track or courses. Spoiler Splitfire Coils https://www.rhdjapan.com/splitfire-super-direct-di-ignition-system-bnr32-bcnr33-wgnc34-r31-r32-r33-a31-z31-c33.html ($413 shipped) Haltech Elite 2500 +harnesseshttp://store.haltech.com/usastore/ht-151357-elite-2500-plug-n-play-adaptor-harness-ecu-kit-nissan-skyline-r32-33-gts-t-gt-r-r34-gt-r.html ($2232) TRUST Greddy oil cooler and oil filter relocation kit https://www.rhdjapan.com/trust-greddy-oil-cooler-filter-relocation-kit-10-row-bcnr33.html ($706) Tomei Oil Pump Upgrade http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-193035-Oversized-Oil-Pump-RB26DETT_p_15635.html ($1242) Koyo Race Radiatorhttp://www.rawbrokerage.com/koyo-race-radiator-for-nissan-skyline-gtr-r33/ ($375 +19shipping) Arc Intercooler https://www.rhdjapan.com/arc-brazing-intercooler-smic-m073-bcnr33.html ($1036.76) tomei expreme ti ($1133.60 @ nengun) Mines Frontpipe Pro Titanium https://www.rhdjapan.com/mine-s-front-pipe-pro-titanium-skyline-gt-r.html ($1582) (can be substituted for Stainless steel for $665) Walbro Intank Fuel pumphttps://www.full-race.com/store/fabrication-materials-kit-builders/fuel-system/fuel-pumps/walbro-416-lph-in-tank-e85-fuel-pump/ ($172) 1200c injectors http://www.andysautosport.com/products/deatschwerks__42M-01-1200-6.html ($559) Nissan Skyline GT-R RB26DETT EFR Twin Turbo Kithttps://www.full-race.com/store/borg-warner-efr/efr-turbo-kits/nissan-rb26dett-efr-twin-turbo-kit-1/ ($6715.18) Poncam 260 http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-143005-Poncam-Type-b-Camshafts-Set-Nissan-Skyline-GT-R-RB26DETT_p_10299.html ($522) Rb28 -- http://www.tomeiusa.com/_2003web-catalogue/e044_rb28_enginekit.html ($5280) ats carbon clutch https://www.nengun.com/ats/carbon-clutch ($1822.64) Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/470990-drawing-up-a-build-r33-gtr/#findComment-7837444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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