Drawing Up a Build (R33 GTR)

[oSkylines]

Drawing Up a Build (R33 GTR)

Whats up guys, just pricing out a build here and wanted to throw some prices and parts up to get a general idea of where i need to be and what all I should expect to get into coming from a completely stock, No upgrades, 1995 Skyline GTR

So far, i have a relatively extensive list of parts drawn up, with links , prices, etc that are totaled to be over $15,000.  My goal is to have an engine that is reliable, and puts down 450-500whp. The vehicle is not expected to be launched off the limiter, but should be able to withstand relatively frequent rolling pulls. I prefer to stay with twins, to retain stock appearance and minimize issues with law enforcement in my area. I would also like to entertain the thought of E85 tuning. Here is what i have so far....

 

 

Rb28  -- http://www.tomeiusa.com/_2003web-catalogue/e044_rb28_enginekit.html ($5280)

Poncam 260  
http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-143005-Poncam-Type-B-Camshafts-Set-Nissan-Skyline-GT-R-RB26DETT_p_10299.html
 ($522)

 3.5inch catback   (tomei expreme ti ? $1133.60 @ nengun)

1200c injectors 
http://www.andysautosport.com/products/deatschwerks__42M-01-1200-6.html
($559)

Haltech ECU Platinum Pro
http://store.haltech.com/usastore/plug-n-play-ecu-kits/pro-plug-in-ecus/ht-055101-platinum-pro-direct-plug-in-nissan-r32-33-skyline-kit-manual-trans-only.html
($1519)

Tomei Oil Pump Upgrade http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-193035-Oversized-Oil-Pump-RB26DETT_p_15635.html
($1242)

Splitfire Coils frsport.com ($470)

Arc Intercooler https://www.rhdjapan.com/arc-brazing-intercooler-smic-m073-bcnr33.html
($1036.76)

Nismo Twin Plate Clutch https://www.rhdjapan.com/nismo-super-coppermix-twin-plate-clutch-r34-bnr32-bcnr33.html
($1373)

GARRETT GT2860R-5 TURBOCHARGER x2 http://www.rawbrokerage.com/garrett-gt2860r-5-turbocharger/
$2200

Tomei High Flow Fuel Pump Upgrade 276LPH R34 RB26 http://www.frsport.com/High-Flow-Fuel-Pump-Upgrade-276LPH-R34-RB26_p_16721.html?gclid=CjwKEAjw1a3KBRCY9cfsmdmWgQ0SJAATUZ8bnJqHs9HsDnciNtYb7uh3kfPqSpnc_WZjOcSA3wNS5xoCx8rw_wcB
($540)

Valve Springs, Dump pipes, Oil Cooler, Gauges (?)

ApexiGT downpipe http://www.tf-works.com/apexi-gt-downpipes-90-02-nissan-skyline-gt-r-r32-r33-r34/
($600)

 

I will also attach this list as a notepad file if anybody has any information of the sort that they would like to add to and repost/resend.

I understand that things like the rb28 kit might be overkill , if you have any other suggestions , or can definetly say i don't need , feel free to let me know. Very much new to the skyline scene and always searching and trying to gather as much information as i can. Thank you !

Skyline Build.txt

[Steve85]

You should checkout the build of my car... I'll see if I can dig up a link for you.

[oSkylines]

that would be awsome!  i have since also priced out a nismo AFM, but havent gotten to add too much more to the list. Goal is 410kw so i would like to make approx 450whp . Any build thread with that , you can go ahead and send my way. I have been looking for ones with enough detail that i can follow it to a degree to come up with what I'm looking for, but surprisingly there doesnt seem to be anybody posting likes that arnt outragous 800-1000 whp goals and often after a few posts stop ( i assume because they realize the price involved)

[Steve85]

https://www.sau.com.au/forums/index.php?/topic/450019-R33-Gtr-Lm-Limited-Buildup

This is probably overkill for what you need, but it never hurts to know what's out there.

You probably would be more interested in someone who has done their build bit by bit, that way you can see what worked and more importantly what didn't.

[oSkylines]

As a quick update , after researching basically all day , i have added a good amount of parts, as well as prioritized purchase order. will add in spoiler to prevent unnecessary scrolling for others.

 

Spoiler

Splitfire Coils 
https://www.rhdjapan.com/splitfire-super-direct-di-ignition-system-bnr32-bcnr33-wgnc34-r31-r32-r33-a31-z31-c33.html
($413 shipped) 

Haltech Elite 2500 +harnesses
http://store.haltech.com/usastore/ht-151357-elite-2500-plug-n-play-adaptor-harness-ecu-kit-nissan-skyline-r32-33-gts-t-gt-r-r34-gt-r.html
($2232)

Greddy Upgraded Sump with baffles
http://www.kudosmotorsports.com/catalog/trust-greddy-sump-extension-nissan-skyline-stagea-wgnc34-260rs-rb26dett-p-1716.html
($550)

TRUST Greddy oil cooler and oil filter relocation kit 
https://www.rhdjapan.com/trust-greddy-oil-cooler-filter-relocation-kit-10-row-bcnr33.html
($706)

Tomei Oil Pump Upgrade http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-193035-Oversized-Oil-Pump-RB26DETT_p_15635.html
($1242)

Arc Intercooler https://www.rhdjapan.com/arc-brazing-intercooler-smic-m073-bcnr33.html
($1036.76)

tomei expreme ti 
 ($1133.60 @ nengun)

Mines Frontpipe Pro Titanium 
https://www.rhdjapan.com/mine-s-front-pipe-pro-titanium-skyline-gt-r.html
($1582) (can be substituted for Stainless steel for $665)

Tomei High Flow Fuel Pump Upgrade 276LPH R34 RB26 http://www.frsport.com/High-Flow-Fuel-Pump-Upgrade-276LPH-R34-RB26_p_16721.html?gclid=CjwKEAjw1a3KBRCY9cfsmdmWgQ0SJAATUZ8bnJqHs9HsDnciNtYb7uh3kfPqSpnc_WZjOcSA3wNS5xoCx8rw_wcB
($540)

MeisterR Zeta CRD Coilover
https://www.meisterr.com/products/zetacrd/
($995)

1200c injectors 
http://www.andysautosport.com/products/deatschwerks__42M-01-1200-6.html
($559)

GARRETT GT2860R-5 TURBOCHARGER x2 http://www.rawbrokerage.com/garrett-gt2860r-5-turbocharger/
$2200

Tomei turbo dump pipes
http://jdmaccessories.com.au/product/tomei-exhaust-turbo-turbine-elbow-outlet-pipes-rb26dett-r32r33r34-2/
($1022)

Nismo AFM
https://www.rhdjapan.com/nismo-rb26dett-engine-parts-air-flow-meter.html
($278)

Poncam 260  
http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-143005-Poncam-Type-b-Camshafts-Set-Nissan-Skyline-GT-R-RB26DETT_p_10299.html
 ($522)

Mines Triple Flow Cam Cover Baffle Kit
http://justjap.com/mines-cam-cover-baffle-kit-nissan-skyline-gtr.html
($350)

Nismo Twin Plate Clutch https://www.rhdjapan.com/nismo-super-coppermix-twin-plate-clutch-r34-bnr32-bcnr33.html
($1373)

Rb28  -- http://www.tomeiusa.com/_2003web-catalogue/e044_rb28_enginekit.html ($5280)

 

 

[Birds]

Stroker kit and cams are overkill. People have made this power with much less.

Parts you've chosen are great and will achieve what you want, but if you want to save 10k, do this:

Keep it 2.6 litres, and don't open the engine. Intercooler yes. Oil pump and sump upgrade yes. Coppermix yes. Splitfires yes. Full 3-3.5" exhaust yes. Injectors, fuel pump and AFM yes. Haltechs are awesome but a PFC would also do the job fine - preference up to you if you want a flex tune etc. Oil cooler, no harm having for added protection but generally not needed unless you're hitting the racetrack. Consider an aluminum radiator.

-5 turbos with 98 should pretty easily make 450rwhp, 500+ with E85

[Robzilla32]

I am certainly not an expert (or even mediocre for that matter) but:

1. If you are going Halaltech and MAP then upgrading your MAFs to Nismo AFMs is redundant.
2. ARC intercoolers look awesome but probably better value / perf available. Also it is implies it is a sidemount?
3. Exhaust same.
4. Think you might need a higher lph fuel pump for e85.
5. HPI dump pipes may yield higher flow than Tomei.
6. Ignore what@Birds said as he may be tecnically correct but boring as over-engineering always yields *better* results.

[Birds]

Ignore advice that might be correct and save you a lot of money...well you were right about not being an expert

[oSkylines]

@Birds the cams and stroker kit were kind of placed in there for post engine death and rebuild , as i am sure when i have to build again, ill have upgrade fever and forged internals and cams seemed to be a smart idea if venturing to above 500whp.  @Robzilla32 ill look into the map MAF  thing, honestly every build thread i saw said upgrade afm (provided they could have not been using a MAP setup) so i threw them in there for peace of mind. Debating on going with a stainless downpipe to the tomei exhaust just to shed a 500ish dollars. Ill look into the higher tier fuel pump thing too, as your the first one so far that has suggested it being an issue . (not to say you're wrong, and i would prefer to upgrade further for a little more money if it prevents any issues)  Also looking into flow of hpi vs tomei , but for the time being, if tomei is cheaper, im not too concerned with a little bit of lessened flow. anything is better than whats on there right now ahah.

[oSkylines]

appreciate the insight @Birds will keep what you said in mind while purchasing parts. As to the intercooler thing, any reason specifically you suggest an aluminum one? out of all the intercooler kit options on RHDJapan , the arc seems to be one of the cheaper ones provided i dont go with Greddy, and even some of those get expensive. 

[oSkylines]

as for the HPI vs Tomei , the reason i had chosen Tomei was from a comment made on another forum when comparing options 

"HPI`s are ok. Tomei have a larger inner diameter. Midori Seibi have the largest inner Diameter. If the HKS with divided pipes are really better, no one knows. HKS says yes, Tomei no."  -mhhforyou from the GTR UK forums

[Birds]

Yes, no point wasting a perfectly good bottom end on a rebuild / stroker kit until it actually pops. But it all comes down to your budget / what you want to spend. If you've got deep pockets then go nuts, was just trying to save you money by shaving off unnecessary parts from the list, as your power goals aren't extraordinary and can be achieved with less. Less mods also = less law enforcement issues. I'd rather use that money for brakes, LSD, future gearbox upgrade, good tyres etc. but that's me.

Aluminum radiator, not intercooler. These are a relatively cheap upgrade / prevention for engine overheat when giving it stick.

[oSkylines]

 i see you noticed my boost virginity.

My bad, took a quick google to see that the difference was the mediums in which they cool, radiator being coolant, and intercooler being air . Thanks for pointing that out haha

Koyo Racing Radiator added to master list on my pc, will definitely add it to one of my top top purchases. 

Actually , quick question  for anybody. Will the upgraded oil pump work appropriately without the Haltech in first? I imagine it would, but Im sure somebody here knows better than i do.  

Edited June 24, 2017 by oSkylines

[Robzilla32]

Ignore advice that might be correct and save you a lot of money...well you were right about not being an expert [emoji6]

Was taking the piss

[pol1on1]

Stroker kit and cams are overkill. People have made this power with much less. Parts you've chosen are great and will achieve what you want, but if you want to save 10k, do this:

Keep it 2.6 litres, and don't open the engine. Intercooler yes. Oil pump and sump upgrade yes. Coppermix yes. Splitfires yes. Full 3-3.5" exhaust yes. Injectors, fuel pump and AFM yes. Haltechs are awesome but a PFC would also do the job fine - preference up to you if you want a flex tune etc. Oil cooler, no harm having for added protection but generally not needed unless you're hitting the racetrack. Consider an aluminum radiator.

-5 turbos with 98 should pretty easily make 450rwhp, 500+ with E85

 

I can back Birds up.

412rwhp 19psi 98fuel plenty room for more was said to me if i go mild (no machining) cams 260 n port n polish

Sounds mint and she's starts 4.5k all the way to 8k hard 12.2 1/4mi.

Oil filter relocation kit and oil cooler

Trust Greddy Suction Kit

Trust Greddy Intercooler Kit Spec-R 115mm

Trust Greddy Alloy Intake Pipe Set

Samco Sport silicon hose kit

Tomei metal gaskets plenum – throttle – head

Tomei adjustable cam gears

2860-5 turbos

HKS dump pipes

HKS front pipe

Hi –Flow cat (Venom)

Tomei Ti Extreme – 3.5” titanium cat back

Apexi Power FC d-jetro

D-jetro means no air flowmeters

HKS EVC V boost controller

Splitfire coilpacks

ID 1000cc injectors

Walbro 255l/ph fuel pump

N1 water pump

Koyo alloy radiator

Can provide most part# if u want

 

 

 

 

[Birds]

3 hours ago, Robzilla32 said:

Was taking the piss

Tone and the internet rarely work together

[WantGTR]

3 hours ago, pol1on1 said:

I can back Birds up.

412rwhp 19psi 98fuel plenty room for more was said to me if i go mild (no machining) cams 260 n port n polish

Sounds mint and she's starts 4.5k all the way to 8k hard 12.2 1/4mi.

Oil filter relocation kit and oil cooler

Trust Greddy Suction Kit

Trust Greddy Intercooler Kit Spec-R 115mm

Trust Greddy Alloy Intake Pipe Set

Samco Sport silicon hose kit

Tomei metal gaskets plenum – throttle – head

Tomei adjustable cam gears

2860-5 turbos

HKS dump pipes

HKS front pipe

Hi –Flow cat (Venom)

Tomei Ti Extreme – 3.5” titanium cat back

Apexi Power FC d-jetro

D-jetro means no air flowmeters

HKS EVC V boost controller

Splitfire coilpacks

ID 1000cc injectors

Walbro 255l/ph fuel pump

N1 water pump

Koyo alloy radiator

Can provide most part# if u want

 

 

 

 

Thats a lot of work to run 12.2. What mph?

[pol1on1]

Not sure
i bought it like that
Was told 12.2 thats it
Have not personally taken my self

[JGTC]

This is a great resource to see a list of builds and power results.

 

[oSkylines]

Well after some research and speaking with Geoff from fullrace , i believe i would like to go with the Borg Warner EFR kit that fullrace offers. Spoiler will contain latest parts list. Geoff pointed out i will likely need to upgrade from the Nismo clutch  to a stage three  to prevent slipping, which kind of stinks for drivability, as im sure i will be spending a lot of time behind the wheel, but i would prefer to buy what i need once, so i suppose it isnt a bad idea. He also mentioned the need for some 1300cc injectors ( as opposed to my 1200cc)  for the e85  tune. Feel free to mention any concerns you have with my list. Looking for 450ish whp , so i believe this setup gives me good response and is more than capable of this power level.  Car only used for street, no track or courses. 

Spoiler

Splitfire Coils 
https://www.rhdjapan.com/splitfire-super-direct-di-ignition-system-bnr32-bcnr33-wgnc34-r31-r32-r33-a31-z31-c33.html
($413 shipped) 

Haltech Elite 2500 +harnesses
http://store.haltech.com/usastore/ht-151357-elite-2500-plug-n-play-adaptor-harness-ecu-kit-nissan-skyline-r32-33-gts-t-gt-r-r34-gt-r.html
($2232)

TRUST Greddy oil cooler and oil filter relocation kit 
https://www.rhdjapan.com/trust-greddy-oil-cooler-filter-relocation-kit-10-row-bcnr33.html
($706)

Tomei Oil Pump Upgrade http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-193035-Oversized-Oil-Pump-RB26DETT_p_15635.html
($1242)

Koyo Race Radiator
http://www.rawbrokerage.com/koyo-race-radiator-for-nissan-skyline-gtr-r33/
($375 +19shipping)

Arc Intercooler https://www.rhdjapan.com/arc-brazing-intercooler-smic-m073-bcnr33.html
($1036.76)

tomei expreme ti 
 ($1133.60 @ nengun)

Mines Frontpipe Pro Titanium 
https://www.rhdjapan.com/mine-s-front-pipe-pro-titanium-skyline-gt-r.html
($1582) (can be substituted for Stainless steel for $665)

Walbro Intank Fuel pump
https://www.full-race.com/store/fabrication-materials-kit-builders/fuel-system/fuel-pumps/walbro-416-lph-in-tank-e85-fuel-pump/
($172)

1200c injectors 
http://www.andysautosport.com/products/deatschwerks__42M-01-1200-6.html
($559)

Nissan Skyline GT-R RB26DETT EFR Twin Turbo Kit
https://www.full-race.com/store/borg-warner-efr/efr-turbo-kits/nissan-rb26dett-efr-twin-turbo-kit-1/
($6715.18)

Poncam 260  
http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-143005-Poncam-Type-b-Camshafts-Set-Nissan-Skyline-GT-R-RB26DETT_p_10299.html
 ($522)

Rb28  -- http://www.tomeiusa.com/_2003web-catalogue/e044_rb28_enginekit.html ($5280)

ats carbon clutch   https://www.nengun.com/ats/carbon-clutch
($1822.64)