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And I never claimed it was CONSIDERABLY faster. But I know exactly how a manual commodore gets up and moves, and how an auto one does (I used to own a VN Manual, and a VR Manual, and a VR Auto all V6)

0 - 100KM/H, The VN runs around in 8.1 seconds, R32 GTSt in 8...

1/4 mile, the VN in 15.7 seconds, R32 GTSt 15

If you re-read my previous 2 posts you will see who I quoted as using the word 'considerably', and the fact I never made it out to be you. Your R32 GTS-T times are a bit relaxed there, sub 7sec 0-100 and sub 15sec 1/4 mile should be more accurate for a stock machine (even auto do sub 7s 0-100).

But back to the original question, why a non-turbo Skyline?

- Looks just as cool. People don't generally buy cars they dislike the look of.

- More fuel efficient* (not always)

- Cheaper to purchase

- Cheaper to service

- Potentially cheaper to insure

- Better for provisional / probationary drivers to learn on* (my opinion having owned turbo and non turbo cars on my P's)

I guess some people are dissapointed when they see a good looking Skyline and then find out they're N/A or not as quick as they look.

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I think that if you have to go non-turbo, there are plenty of other cars out there that are better. A non-turbo Skyline isn't a bad car, but an inline-6 Nissan without a turbo is really just a big heavy Taxi without a logbook.

So, what if a Skyline R33/R32/R34 GTR owner comes in here and says that if your gonna buy a Turbo Skyline and cant afford Twin Turbo one, and that there are plenty of other cheaper Twin Turbo cars out there that are faster than a GTST/GTT Skyline? what will ur reply be?

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I have owned a R33 GTS auto, it is about the slowest skyline it is possible to own.

And it easily makes it into my top ten  best cars I have driven.

Was it faster than a VN commodore? Yes.

Was it faster than an SS commodore? No. 

Was it better than a turbo skyline (where better means more power)? No.

Was it a huge amount of fun? Yes.

I would buy a non turbo skyline in the future and go crazy on the engine - it would definitely come under the heading of dream car. External appearance stock R33 S1 with TE37's in a dark alloy finish. 

Engine stroked to 2.8, bumped up compression, lightweight forged internals, triple webers (yep you heard me right) or independant throttle bodies (adapted from a 20V 4AGE), blueprinted/balanced, manualised auto with b&m shifter and plenty more besides. I have calculated the cost aaaand it won't happen for a while lets just say :)

I imagine it would sound similar to this:

and

It appeals to me more than a turbocharged car. Why? Personal taste. No other reason. When it comes down to it thats all people bicker over anyhow. 

that 240Z sends shivers down my spine.... :thumbsup:

this is my dream,

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I have owned a R33 GTS auto, it is about the slowest skyline it is possible to own.

And it easily makes it into my top ten  best cars I have driven.

Was it faster than a VN commodore? Yes.

Was it faster than an SS commodore? No. 

Was it better than a turbo skyline (where better means more power)? No.

Was it a huge amount of fun? Yes.

I would buy a non turbo skyline in the future and go crazy on the engine - it would definitely come under the heading of dream car. External appearance stock R33 S1 with TE37's in a dark alloy finish. 

Engine stroked to 2.8, bumped up compression, lightweight forged internals, triple webers (yep you heard me right) or independant throttle bodies (adapted from a 20V 4AGE), blueprinted/balanced, manualised auto with b&m shifter and plenty more besides. I have calculated the cost aaaand it won't happen for a while lets just say :thumbsup:

I imagine it would sound similar to this:

and

It appeals to me more than a turbocharged car. Why? Personal taste. No other reason. When it comes down to it thats all people bicker over anyhow. 

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I have owned a R33 GTS auto, it is about the slowest skyline it is possible to own.

And it easily makes it into my top ten  best cars I have driven.

Was it faster than a VN commodore? Yes.

Was it faster than an SS commodore? No. 

Was it better than a turbo skyline (where better means more power)? No.

Was it a huge amount of fun? Yes.

I would buy a non turbo skyline in the future and go crazy on the engine - it would definitely come under the heading of dream car. External appearance stock R33 S1 with TE37's in a dark alloy finish. 

Engine stroked to 2.8, bumped up compression, lightweight forged internals, triple webers (yep you heard me right) or independant throttle bodies (adapted from a 20V 4AGE), blueprinted/balanced, manualised auto with b&m shifter and plenty more besides. I have calculated the cost aaaand it won't happen for a while lets just say :whistling:

I imagine it would sound similar to this:

and

It appeals to me more than a turbocharged car. Why? Personal taste. No other reason. When it comes down to it thats all people bicker over anyhow. 

probably not the route i would take. a lot of newer designed engines don't work well with carby's. but the ITB like on that rb in the 240 is nice though

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Yeah its a bit different - there is one carbed RB25 on an ignition dvd I think. They said it ran fairly well but needed slightly better tuning which can be a big problem with triple carbs - you really need a tuner that knows their stuff.

I just love NA engines as much as forced induction. Carbs more so.

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So, what if a Skyline R33/R32/R34 GTR owner comes in here and says that if your gonna buy a Turbo Skyline and cant afford Twin Turbo one, and that there are plenty of other cheaper Twin Turbo cars out there that are faster than a GTST/GTT Skyline? what will ur reply be?

Like what?

The only twin turbo cars I can think of are:

Mitsubishi 3000GT

Toyota Supra

Subaru Liberty B4

Mazda RX-7

(and then you get in to expensive stuff like the new BMW twin turbo I6s, and exotica)

Secondly, there's not much of a gain between the twin turbo and the single turbo (so its not really a good analogy to a NA vs FI discussion). At a certain point even the DETT guys end up going to a single turbo anyway. The biggest advantages to the RB26DETT over the RB25DET isn't the second snail.

If the GT-R guys came in and said if you can't man up and buy an active AWD Skyline (which provides a real benefit), and that there are better RWD turbo cars to buy then the response would be "yeah, you're right".

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As asked earlier in the thread...why do people buy Commodores?

Answer: for the rear seat...and I'm not talking about carrying the kids. Have you ever tried doing it in a Skyline? It. Doesn't. Work.

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As asked earlier in the thread...why do people buy Commodores?

Answer: for the rear seat...and I'm not talking about carrying the kids. Have you ever tried doing it in a Skyline? It. Doesn't. Work.

yes it does! and im 6ft tall... >.>

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this is all about N/A owners who think they have some special rare street racing machine when you're rolling in the pov pack of the Skyline range. As I said before, even R31 owners have found the N/A motors to not really be worth wasting time and money on.

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Like what?

The only twin turbo cars I can think of are:

Mitsubishi 3000GT

Toyota Supra

Subaru Liberty B4

Mazda RX-7

(and then you get in to expensive stuff like the new BMW twin turbo I6s, and exotica)

Secondly, there's not much of a gain between the twin turbo and the single turbo (so its not really a good analogy to a NA vs FI discussion). At a certain point even the DETT guys end up going to a single turbo anyway. The biggest advantages to the RB26DETT over the RB25DET isn't the second snail.

If the GT-R guys came in and said if you can't man up and buy an active AWD Skyline (which provides a real benefit), and that there are better RWD turbo cars to buy then the response would be "yeah, you're right".

LoL you got a point

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yes it does! and im 6ft tall... >.>

I'm 6'3 but regardless I can't see how anyone can do that shit. You would need a tiny girl and even then there's not much room for movement.

In a Commodore...it might as well be a bedroom!

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Yeah its a bit different - there is one carbed RB25 on an ignition dvd I think. They said it ran fairly well but needed slightly better tuning which can be a big problem with triple carbs - you really need a tuner that knows their stuff.

I just love NA engines as much as forced induction. Carbs more so.

It was Best Motoring not Ignition DVD.

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I'm 6'3 but regardless I can't see how anyone can do that shit. You would need a tiny girl and even then there's not much room for movement.

In a Commodore...it might as well be a bedroom!

haha, yeah shes pretty tiny alright...:) prolly wont happen again, cos it was cramped. but hey, you gotta try these things

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