The Bogan Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, 33GTRV said: Payed 174.9 today for f**king corn juice at United. What the actual f**k? It's a semi renewable They get $4 a litre (average) for it when they turn it into coke. If you could stop everyone from trying to get diabetes by not eating and drinking sugar based products like softdrinks and all the added sugar in processed food there may be financial reasons for the big companies to push ethanol, but, we are all fat sugar crazed monsters. Sugar is the devil......yada yada yada....conspiracy this, multinational that.... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrm Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 With these crazy prices, it makes me wonder if I should be re-thinking getting my nistune upgraded for e-flex Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben C34 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, jrm said: With these crazy prices, it makes me wonder if I should be re-thinking getting my nistune upgraded for e-flex Really? Cars literally burn money. You don’t own and modify a skyline as a sensible thing to do. you either want the car to go faster or not. They aren’t crazy prices at all considering what it offers ( more power for more money) 3 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrm Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ben C34 said: Really? Cars literally burn money. You don’t own and modify a skyline as a sensible thing to do. you either want the car to go faster or not. They aren’t crazy prices at all considering what it offers ( more power for more money) You're 100% right. And I want the car to go faster. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, jrm said: With these crazy prices, it makes me wonder if I should be re-thinking getting my nistune upgraded for e-flex I have the hardware to do it, although I've never upgraded the firmware on any Nistune lol. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
r32-25t Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 As much as it annoys me I’ll still be buying it when ever I drive the car (which isn’t very often) Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
r32-25t Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 The part I’ve never understood is adding 10% ethanol makes fuel cheaper but adding 85% makes it more expensive Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bogan Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, r32-25t said: The part I’ve never understood is adding 10% ethanol makes fuel cheaper but adding 85% makes it more expensive I believe it has to do with government subsidies IRT "renewables", most cars ran/run fine on a 10% blend, this gives the illusion that we are pushing alternate fuel sources, without really going all in. I believe E85 in the US was readily available due to big subsidies and a big environmental push, recently though ethanol production looks like it has taken a massive hit and production is slowing. The focus on electric vehicles has taken precedence over liquid renewables. Another issue with ethanol is it uses land that could be used for food crops. Corn syrup is the devil....the devil I tells ya......yada yada yada....conspiracy this, multinational that.... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
r32-25t Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Electric cars will not be a viable option in Australia any time soon Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuaho96 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, r32-25t said: The part I’ve never understood is adding 10% ethanol makes fuel cheaper but adding 85% makes it more expensive E85 is dirt cheap in the US right now, even cheaper than E10. In the corn producing states we're talking about 0.80 USD/gal because there is a massive oversupply. It's curious to me what's stopping the import of US ethanol to reduce cost. Is there some massive import duty to protect local industry? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben C34 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, joshuaho96 said: E85 is dirt cheap in the US right now, even cheaper than E10. In the corn producing states we're talking about 0.80 USD/gal because there is a massive oversupply. It's curious to me what's stopping the import of US ethanol to reduce cost. Is there some massive import duty to protect local industry? It would be that the Australian demand for e85 is tiny, and not worth the trouble of importing. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
r32-25t Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 At the moment it would be even less with the fact going for a drive is not a good enough reason to leave the house Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLYNX Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Its also about supply cost here in Aus. For what we do, we were getting ethanol supplied at around $1.25/L. Now due to the Corvid 19 hand sanitizer manufacture its jumped to over $5.00/L Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaymoR32 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 coming from the UK it makes me laugh hearing all you lot complain about fuel prices. Count yourselves lucky that you get E85, also count yourselves lucky that your fuel is actually very cheap! it costs twice as much in the UK and you dont get the option for E85 at all! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr81 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 29 minutes ago, DaymoR32 said: coming from the UK it makes me laugh hearing all you lot complain about fuel prices. Count yourselves lucky that you get E85, also count yourselves lucky that your fuel is actually very cheap! it costs twice as much in the UK and you dont get the option for E85 at all! Yes but to be fair the furthest you can drive in the UK is what, ten miles? Because the whole of the UK is smaller than Tasmania. So there's that. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaymoR32 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 haha England is definitely bigger than Tasmania mate. however my point still stands, your fuel is cheap! and so is rego (thats coming from someone in NSW too!!) Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr81 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, DaymoR32 said: haha England is definitely bigger than Tasmania mate. however my point still stands, your fuel is cheap! and so is rego (thats coming from someone in NSW too!!) Yeah it all boils down to government revenue and a trade off between rego/fuel price/road tolls. So here in WA we get bent over for rego ($800PA for an old Skyline and bugger all historic licensing), fuel is ok in the city and there arent any toll roads. Main problem being there are few outlets for E85 in Perth and sod all outside the metro areas. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve85 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I'm going to go against the grain here and say, i'm not that concerned by E85 prices. I didn't buy the car to be economical, nor to try to go for hyper mile efforts. It's a ridiculous car and if it means paying more for petrol for another 100kw so be it. If I was allowed out of my house, i'd be burning through enough E85 to solve the overproduction issue on my own. (obviously an exaggeration). I may have burned about a half tank in 30kms the other day... foot to floor. Hit speed limit (ish) foot on the brake, repeat. Good times. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7928873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
r32-25t Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Paid 159.9 on Sunday which hopefully it means it’s on it’s way down again Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7930703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 United have us enthusiasts by the balls 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/455747-the-future-of-e85-in-australia-not-looking-good/page/5/#findComment-7930719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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