BakemonoRicer Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 What most people don't realise is the NASA spec fuel systems required to track these things.... 7670 & above. In the custom surge tank I'll be running a 700lph brushless pressure pump (possibly with speed control) so we can run higher base pressures for better fuel atomisation....and to reduce the current compared to dual 460's & so that the fuel is heated less. We are currently working out an intank pump to feed this serious bit of gear..... ..and designing a top plate to suit. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7879949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
admS15 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 What most people don't realise is the NASA spec fuel systems required to track these things.... 7670 & above. In the custom surge tank I'll be running a 700lph brushless pressure pump (possibly with speed control) so we can run higher base pressures for better fuel atomisation....and to reduce the current compared to dual 460's & so that the fuel is heated less. We are currently working out an intank pump to feed this serious bit of gear..... ..and designing a top plate to suit.Build thread please Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7879950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 hour ago, BakemonoRicer said: What most people don't realise is the NASA spec fuel systems required to track these things.... 7670 & above Get your car ready, I'll battle you at Wakefield or at a Roll Racing night. NASA spec S15 vs Cabramatta spec R33. 1 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7879956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruvyouskyrine Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 What most people don't realise is the NASA spec fuel systems required to track these things.... 7670 & above. In the custom surge tank I'll be running a 700lph brushless pressure pump (possibly with speed control) so we can run higher base pressures for better fuel atomisation....and to reduce the current compared to dual 460's & so that the fuel is heated less. We are currently working out an intank pump to feed this serious bit of gear..... ..and designing a top plate to suit.I love reading what you write, makes me wonder what planet you live on [emoji23]A good quality adequately sized main and lift pumps are hardly 'NASA spec' smh 2 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7879958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakemonoRicer Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dose Pipe Sutututu said: Get your car ready, I'll battle you at Wakefield or at a Roll Racing night. NASA spec S15 vs Cabramatta spec R33. You'll be blinded by my shift light when I shift into 3nd slingshotting out of a tailkick from the power of the EFR equipped SR20! I hope you like ethanol fumes & S15 tail lights pal!!!!!! I'm gonna need a parachute to pull up this wild hog!!! Edit. P.s. pls sell me your SMB rear muffler lol. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7879959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 58 minutes ago, BakemonoRicer said: Edit. P.s. pls sell me your SMB rear muffler lol. Yeah nah looks good aye (the one on the right), left is a Hi-Tec Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7879964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakemonoRicer Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, Dose Pipe Sutututu said: Yeah nah looks good aye (the one on the right), left is a Hi-Tec im actually jealous.....wish they weren't discontinued. no other muffler like it mate. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7879967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICE RACING Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 13 hours ago, BakemonoRicer said: Once I finally find an RX7 the first thing I'd do is throw an 8374 1.45 on it..... & let that thing spin to the moon & back. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7879979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknack Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Got my new SR22VET running with the T4 .92 IWG 7670. Not noticing a whole lot of response loss compared to the old 2.2L setup with the T4 7163. Granted this new motor is built a lot nicer and has properly done +2mm exh valves which I guess helps. Seeing it hit my 10psi boost cut at about 2.6k with no preload or wastegate duty and a 12psi spring, I'd expect it should do 20-25psi around 3.5k. it starts pulling hard at around 2.5k and is very linear. The 7163 did 23psi just before 3.5k. Tune booked in for the end of the month so will have some proper results EOM. 2 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakemonoRicer Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 8374 with a 1.45 housing on a hamburger with the lot 2.8....is it epic? Hell f**king yes!!!!! The 1.05 is definitely hyperactive/frantic very early....but the 1.45 is like getting hit in the face by george foreman! In the lower mid to top end its just completely off its head, you're pinned to the seat holding on for dear life. Is it still responsive? Yes. Its just a little bit smoother early on.....you dont lose THAT much compared to the 1.05....and it still kills precisions, garretts and the like. The 8374 is definitely the perfect turbo, as it can do f ing everything VERY well.... But of course.....having a built motor with special head and portwork is 100% needed to bring out the goodness in these turbos....and when thats done...hold the f**k on!!! What would I choose? I honestly dont know if I could pick between the 1.05 and 1.45...they are both epic in their own rights... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggaz Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 Stock Evo 9 2.0/4G63 with a 7670/1.05. Big turbo isn’t that big. 2 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkstaah Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Except there's also that dude that made 466kw at the wheels on a 2.5 with one.. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick_o Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Kinkstaah said: Except there's also that dude that made 466kw at the wheels on a 2.5 with one.. I think its more the fact its making nearly 200kw and peak torque at 4000rpm and seeing all the boost the match stick 4G rods can take by 4000rpm also. Big turbo behaves small even on a 2L 4 pot. Edited July 9, 2018 by Mick_o Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakemonoRicer Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 This no replacement for displacement shit really annoys me Build a f**king don mega head and enjoy the fruit of an EFR. Whats funny is 4 cyls can in some cases make more grunt & torque than 6's. Deal with it. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICE RACING Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 ^ Doing a Syvecs S8 controlled combo on AMS built 2.3 EVO with EFR9174, should go good. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICE RACING Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Looks like an animal! 2 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-Race Geoff Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 13 hours ago, RICE RACING said: Looks like an animal! Thats my man clinton! 9174 1.45 a/r external wastegate evoX.. he has embarassed some serious vehicles with this evoX Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICE RACING Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 That makes sense, so bit better match to this capacity engine, lower rotating inertia than 9180 0.92AR IWG combo, similar turbine power potential, sounds like the ideal combination for high boost combined with transient response. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full-Race Geoff Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 that is correct, 9174 works best with the big 1.45 a/r housing when pushing the turbos limit. The 74mm turbine is relatively small to swing the 91mm compressor so anything that can be done to reduce preturbine drive pressure at high rpm / high boost is a win for this one. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggaz Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 What kind of exhaust pressure increase are you seeing on the 9174 over the 8374 for a given turbine housing size/engine combo? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/466636-borg-warner-efr-series-turbos-v-20/page/80/#findComment-7880792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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