Help Me Defend The Skyline Pride

[DRD-00F]

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[GTR-32U]

This thread now has nothing at all to do with the original post...

Yes I realise this....I have tried a few times to try and sway the masses back however it just aint workin...Everybody is all wrapped up in bagging Supras...When that was never the case.

[PM-R33]

i must admit i cant stand the cross over pipe above the motor on the rb20s and rb25s. has proved to be a pain while working on my old 25 and many 20's (as u will know 26s are different). the only real option is to get an aftermarket plenum.

i used to get furious taking the pipe out when i had to work on my car... but then again i have a short temper lol.

So true, main reason why i got a forward facing plenum. Could not stand that cross over pipe and removing it all the time. Changing spark plugs when the car was hot was nearly impossible without majorly burning yourself. Why nissan couldn't put a modified GTR plenum with multiple throttle bodies on the GTST is beyond me. Surely it couldnt have cost them that much extra and would make the engine bay so much neater and practicle.

[Sydneykid]

as for R34 turbos being better... ha! what a joke.. id like to see R34 turbos making 280kws everyday all day long consistantly or even at all

No problem, we have made 425 rwkw on standard R34GTR N1 turbos. The highest I have seen is 442 rwkw, not on one of our cars though.

Cheers

Gary

[GUN_METAL_GTR32]

i used to have a tt supra and they shit all over r33's mate.

and yes the standard block will hold 400-500kw no worries f**ken

they look good with a subtle kit but not veilside

i had an na one before my turbo one and i muched many 33's off the lights.

they have a presence on the road that a 33 could never manifest mate

the only reason i dont have one now is coz i got t-boned

then i had a gtr so dont think i dont like skylines (i dont like 33's though)

this argument is pointless anyway. a car is a personal preference and ppl will get what they want.

[Sydneykid]

i dont see how its possible to develope a car so far, and have it be beaten by 5 seconds on the GTR's first outing, not doubting it happened, but there is certainly something being left out, 5 seconds is HUGEE

Perhaps the issue is you don't understand the problems of racing to strict regulations. If I do everything exactly the same (as per the regs) to both cars, the R32GTR is far superior in race pace. It is more consistent, has superior brakes and cooling (intercooler and hydraulics) and looks after its tyres so much better. In qualifying the difference was around 2 seconds, but after 5 laps or so it blew out close to 5 seconds. That's what circuit racing is all about, how long it takes to go the race distance, meaning consistency.

and you'd like to see a supra do 8's on radials? they're already into the sevens mate (MSP did 7.8), 3300+pounds which i would deem full weight. a few have done 8's with stock 6 speed, Titan did 7.94 on stock 6 speed

Don't twist what I said, 8's on radials WITH a manual AND at full weight. Your examples are either autos or air shifters and/or drag slick and/or light weight.

as for traction in drag racing purposes, just find me how many skylines are running 9 sec passes on any tires, i have a list of 63 supras in the US alone that are doing 9's, and thats not even trying to find them, granted quite a few are on slicks, but there are heaps on radials too

The driver is on the left in the US, not the right. Supra TT's were sold there brand new, Skyline weren't. The tracks in the US crap all over ours. Hardly any Skylines race in the US. There are almost impossible to import to the US, and you think DOTARS is bad. That comparison has nothing to do with the car itself, simply the differences in availability.

i would also like to know what makes you say the inlet manifold on the supra is so crap? i've seen heaps of big horsepower cars using them succesfully

One throttle body

Cheers

Gary

[Sydneykid]

i used to have a tt supra and they shit all over r33's mate.

and yes the standard block will hold 400-500kw no worries f**ken

they look good with a subtle kit but not veilside

i had an na one before my turbo one and i muched many 33's off the lights.

they have a presence on the road that a 33 could never manifest mate

the only reason i dont have one now is coz i got t-boned

then i had a gtr so dont think i dont like skylines (i dont like 33's though)

this argument is pointless anyway. a car is a personal preference and ppl will get what they want.

I actually don't think it is pointless at all. Let's try something simple, let's say I want a car for daily driving and the occasional track day. The GTR is far superior at that because of its 4wd (ever driven a high powered Supra in the wet?) and its inherent circuit racing superiority. On the other hand if you want a car for weekends only, when it's not raining and the occasional Friday night at the drags, then the Supra is arguably better. As long as you run decent tyres to overcome it's 2wd dissadvantage of course. There are heaps of other comparative examoles, I just chose those two as they are obvious. This discussion may just help someone make the right decision when choosing a car for their specific needs.

Cheers

Gary

[Sydneykid]

i used to have a tt supra and they shit all over r33's mate.

and yes the standard block will hold 400-500kw no worries f**ken

I couldn't let this one slip, one exmaple will do it, 1100 bhp in a R33GTR with a standard block, it's called VMax built by Apexi. And it has AFM's

Cheers

Gary

[N1GTR]

I was actually a member here first because I was going to buy a GTR, but fell in love with the Supras shape and power potential

Funny that, i was the other way around and got the GTR, then a supra

looking at selling my car for a tt supra , wonder if cops give supra's less hassle

I havnt had any cop trouble except for RBT's of course and ive had mine for.....well......i dont know - feels like a while

I actually don't think it is pointless at all. Let's try something simple, let's say I want a car for daily driving and the occasional track day. The GTR is far superior at that because of its 4wd (ever driven a high powered Supra in the wet?) and its inherent circuit racing superiority. On the other hand if you want a car for weekends only, when it's not raining and the occasional Friday night at the drags, then the Supra is arguably better. As long as you run decent tyres to overcome it's 2wd dissadvantage of course. There are heaps of other comparative examoles, I just chose those two as they are obvious. This discussion may just help someone make the right decision when choosing a car for their specific needs.

Cheers

Gary

Wel said Gary!

I chose a GTR for the track/fast duties and i chose a stocker supra TT for daily driver/weekends etc

[Rated R]

my best mate recently got a TT 95 supra...f**k i love it..so quick and makes a beautiful sound..its prettymuch a show car..custom audio install and all that jazz

i cant really falt it ay..as much as id like to to deflate his big head haha..theres just nothing wrong.

OH actually..the rear seats are pointless haha no room in there..thats it lol

[Roy]

You are all wrong as i would rather one of these

Quick enough, handle well enough, 1,001 Tools dont drive them liek is the case with Skylines and Supras and The Toyotas and Skylines can only dream of looking as good as one of these.

Has nothing to do with this thread, then again neither do half the posts in this thread. Ok well maybe if i say the Supra is worse then the Skyline....but i happen to love the black Espirit Supra with HKS 3240 and other goodies...quick on the real tracks like Fugi, Suzuka etc. Not that goat track that is Tsukuba

[N1GTR]

my best mate recently got a TT 95 supra...f**k i love it..so quick and makes a beautiful sound..its prettymuch a show car..custom audio install and all that jazz

i cant really falt it ay..as much as id like to to deflate his big head haha..theres just nothing wrong.

OH actually..the rear seats are pointless haha no room in there..thats it lol

The back seats are pointless hey!

I had a 6ft guy in the back next to a fattish bloke and the gf in the front seat once. Never again will that happen.

Now my backseat is purely for carrying a briefcase/cd's/general crap

[Macross]

Perhaps the issue is you don't understand the problems of racing to strict regulations. If I do everything exactly the same (as per the regs) to both cars, the R32GTR is far superior in race pace. It is more consistent, has superior brakes and cooling (intercooler and hydraulics) and looks after its tyres so much better. In qualifying the difference was around 2 seconds, but after 5 laps or so it blew out close to 5 seconds. That's what circuit racing is all about, how long it takes to go the race distance, meaning consistency.

Don't twist what I said, 8's on radials WITH a manual AND at full weight. Your examples are either autos or air shifters and/or drag slick and/or light weight.

The driver is on the left in the US, not the right. Supra TT's were sold there brand new, Skyline weren't. The tracks in the US crap all over ours. Hardly any Skylines race in the US. There are almost impossible to import to the US, and you think DOTARS is bad. That comparison has nothing to do with the car itself, simply the differences in availability.

One throttle body

Cheers

Gary

Seriously, it sounds like you're just hating on Supra's. The brembos used in a GTR and the Supra 4 pot brakes are hardly leagues apart given proper pads/rotors in your setup. Cooling, again depends how well you develop this, there are aluminium replacement SMIC's for the supra that will provide much better cooling than any FMIC arrangement, again comparing apples to apples there should not be any difference in cooling a charge through either car, as the running lengths of the pipes are not severly different. Hydraulics I can't speak about, but from my own annecdotal experience I have never had any hydraulic fluids fail in any supra's I've raced or had friends race in.

Do some research and you'll find that Skylines are JUST as prevalent on US racing circuits as supra's are despite their exclusivity in that market. There are plenty of them kicking around, but due to their much larger population are dispersed quite thinly along the continent.

I actually don't think it is pointless at all. Let's try something simple, let's say I want a car for daily driving and the occasional track day. The GTR is far superior at that because of its 4wd (ever driven a high powered Supra in the wet?) and its inherent circuit racing superiority. On the other hand if you want a car for weekends only, when it's not raining and the occasional Friday night at the drags, then the Supra is arguably better. As long as you run decent tyres to overcome it's 2wd dissadvantage of course. There are heaps of other comparative examoles, I just chose those two as they are obvious. This discussion may just help someone make the right decision when choosing a car for their specific needs.

Cheers

Gary

Again, I really don't know what you're on about, the only issue myself, or any competent supra driver will experience in the wet is aquaplaning from the large tyres you can fit under stock guards, it might not be 4wd traction, but I can boost just fine in heavy rain and have the wheels hook up with no wheel spin, that is, unless you're a fan of clutch dumps from a dig.

I couldn't let this one slip, one exmaple will do it, 1100 bhp in a R33GTR with a standard block, it's called VMax built by Apexi. And it has AFM's

Cheers

Gary

Again, look at the USA, 1000hp at the rears has been done to death on a stock block in a supra, it may not last forever but it's been done enough to know it's a ticking bomb, albeit a much safer one than your 1100bhp gtr on standard block.

[SmittyR33]

In regard to the original post,

NA supra = small penis

If your mate still tells you your skyline is crap, then all you have to say is

- Your mum didn't think the back seat was crap

Problem solved

Its probably like the ford\holden saga - lame

[FineLine]

I dont know a whole lot about the supra as it was never a consideration when i was looking for my car. Its looks alone deterred me right from the get go.

2 observations come to mind however, One being the laugh I got when I upgraded my gtst brakes to a brembo setup and had a supra driver climbing all over me to sell him my stock nissan brakes. Apparently the nissan brakes are considered an upgrade on the supra. (rolls eyes)

The other being the lack of supras I see at performance venues, I regularly attend and participate in my local drag (willowbank) tnt nights and time attack (QLD raceway), There are plenty of skylines mostly street driven pounding the asphalt at both venues but it is an absolute rarity to see a supra at either.

Most of the supra activity around here involves bling wheels, A very large ironong board on the boot and just cruising the main street with drivers cock hanging out the window saying "Look at me"

One can only assume that the line attracts a sportsman whereas the supra attracts the posers. To each his own I guess but the posing deal leaves me cold.

Also interesting to note is that I see and am involved with far more skyline peeps than supra types but i have seen as many if not more of these so called unbreakable jz motors come to grief than RB's.

[BR@D]

I like both.

I've got an R33 GTS-t and a '93 NA Aero Top Supra.

Skyline is more fun. NA Supra is nice to cruise, but with auto box that's about it.

I was amazed by how fast the TT Supras are with only exhaust and pod filter. My friend bought one and ever since driving that my skyline feels so slow.

Now my Supra's up for sale and Skylines in for some mods in the near future..

[DRD-00F]

I like both.

I've got an R33 GTS-t and a '93 NA Aero Top Supra.

Skyline is more fun. NA Supra is nice to cruise, but with auto box that's about it.

I was amazed by how fast the TT Supras are with only exhaust and pod filter. My friend bought one and ever since driving that my skyline feels so slow.

Now my Supra's up for sale and Skylines in for some mods in the near future..

Wait? A twin turbo 3 Litre makes your single turbo 2.5 feel slow?

NO WAI!

[Alicia R34 GTR]

I have both! I have an R34 GTR, and R32 GTS-t, a MKIV Supra and a husband who works at Millennium Motorsports who are Supra Crazy, and I can't complain about either of them, I love them - They're my Top 2 Fave 'Attainable' Cars... (I'd pass them all up for a DB9, Lamborghini, Dodge or Zonda! ) Granted I'll never own another Skyline that's not a GTR, or any car that's not turbo, charged or V8+ but imo the NA Supra's are MUCH MUCH more impressive than any NA Skyline..

Here are some interesting stock specs to ponder

Make Model Power Torque Redline Kerb Weight 0-100km 400 metres

Nissan Skyline R32 GTS-T 160kw @ 6400rpm 263nm @ 3200rpm 7500rpm 1260 kg 6.49 seconds 14.63 seconds

Nissan Skyline R32 GTR 208kw @ 6400rpm 353nm @ 4400rpm 7500rpm 1470 kg 4.79 seconds 12.80 seconds

Nissan Skyline R33 GTS T-25T 187kw @ 6400rpm 295nm @ 4800rpm 7000rpm 1390 kg 6.18 seconds 14.39 seconds

Nissan Skyline R33 GTR 208kw @ 6800rpm 367nm @ 4400rpm 8000rpm 1530 kg 5.30 seconds 13.30 seconds

Nissan Skyline R34 25GT-Turbo 206kw @ 6400rpm 343nm @ 3200rpm 7000rpm 1410 kg 6.00 seconds 14.20 seconds

Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R 208kw @ 6800rpm 392nm @ 4400rpm 8000rpm 1540 kg 4.90 seconds 12.90 seconds

Toyota Supra SZ 168kw @ 6800rpm 284nm @ 4800rpm 6800rpm 1430 kg 6.59 seconds 14.89 seconds

Toyota Supra RZ 208kw @ 5600rpm 430nm @ 3600rpm 7000rpm 1490 kg 5.92 seconds 13.93 seconds

[Granthem]

both are great cars. f**k it who cares. its not a pissing contest. You should all be happy that there are so many great cars available for us to choose from. No use ragging on shit, we know both have great potential in looks and power.

As usual there is a thousand and one things going for each car. Skyline costs half the price for usually a newer year, but doesnt have 3 litre capacity. Skyline has a rear seat thats somewhat usable, but the supras rear end is just pure porn. List goes on and on.

Edited February 15, 2008 by Granthem

[OBaYBe]

Supras with a decent set of rims look great, such as that example.

Haha Supra vs Skyline threads are funny. There are some of these on the AU supra forums.

Havent read the whole thread, but some of SAU members sprout alot of shit.

Whoever said nissan brakes are a common upgrade for Supras is a dickhead. The most common

brake upgrade for the Supra is the big brake option found on RZ speced Supras. THATS IT. Nissan brake upgrades on Supras are unheard of, even on the old models.

And as for Sydney Kid saying the clutch and brake fluids boil in the supra, hahahaha!

Lets not quickly forget about the RB26 oil starvation issues on the track shall we?

Edited February 15, 2008 by OBaYBe