2011 F1 Thread

[Do-Luck]

15,000 RPM Limit for the V6 Turbos

[ctjet]

booooo!!! what a waste of potential

bring back the 20k

[sh@un]

1 bar? Pretty poor when road cars can safely run higher boost . Not that we'll ever see 5-bar 1300 bhp engines again, more's the pity

don't know why so many people get hung up on boost. champ cars made over 800hp with less than 3psi. just need some revs. 1.6L V6 pulling big revs on 1 bar boost could make enormous amounts of power with current electronic systems. they'll certainly be running restrictors to cap power.

[MBS206]

Boost is only a measure of restriction...

And 500KW at 5,000RPM and 1000KW at 10,000 is the same amount of go fasts... ... ...

Torque people... It's all about torque...

[Nee-san]

Boost is only a measure of restriction...

And 500KW at 5,000RPM and 1000KW at 10,000 is the same amount of go fasts... ... ...

Torque people... It's all about torque...

Ok, I will take the second engine and you take the first, and we shall race....

[sh@un]

Torque people... It's all about torque...

Garbage. This is the most persistent misconception in the history of performance vehicles.

Power and gearing is what determines acceleration and top speed, NOT the torque figure. You can make up for a lack of torque with shorter overall gearing, but you can never make up for a lack of power the same way.

If torque mattered more than power for foot-down stonk, you'd look at torque-to-weight ratios to compare performance potential, but it's power-to-weight that matters.

[Snowman]

It's funny then how my 260kw 1800kg R35 GTR was able to beat my 380kw 1600kgs R34 GT-R in a straight line drag race.

So power-weight isn't everything.

Anyhoo - HRT has been sold to the Japs. Kings of the turbo 6's. Let's see what happens to them now.

[Nee-san]

Garbage. This is the most persistent misconception in the history of performance vehicles.

Power and gearing is what determines acceleration and top speed, NOT the torque figure. You can make up for a lack of torque with shorter overall gearing, but you can never make up for a lack of power the same way.

If torque mattered more than power for foot-down stonk, you'd look at torque-to-weight ratios to compare performance potential, but it's power-to-weight that matters.

power and torque, forever linked.

BUT Cmon Hoss, dem 2.6 litres just dun hav enuf of the tork to be fast not like me 454 V8.

[tweety bird]

It's funny then how my 260kw 1800kg R35 GTR was able to beat my 380kw 1600kgs R34 GT-R in a straight line drag race.

So power-weight isn't everything.

Anyhoo - HRT has been sold to the Japs. Kings of the turbo 6's. Let's see what happens to them now.

nissan??

rb16??

[Angus Smart]

Moar like Vq16

which japs bought it out tho?

Renault/infinity/redbull will surely use some Nissan influence with the new motor

[djr81]

Moar like Vq16

which japs bought it out tho?

Renault/infinity/redbull will surely use some Nissan influence with the new motor

Some random investment bank. Great investment. Oh, wait.

Renault needing Nissans help. That is comedy gold. Good work.

[Angus Smart]

Some random investment bank. Great investment. Oh, wait.

Renault needing Nissans help. That is comedy gold. Good work.

The other way round is it?? the french cant accept help can they..

[djr81]

The other way round is it?? the french cant accept help can they..

Renault pioneered the turbo charged formula one motor.

Nissan on the other hand have never even built an F1 motor of any sort.

So what would Nissan possibly be able to help them with?

[iamhe77]

Some random investment bank. Great investment. Oh, wait.

Renault needing Nissans help. That is comedy gold. Good work.

You never know.

Remember what RBR was before they were Redbull... and how successful they were.

[djr81]

You never know.

Remember what RBR was before they were Redbull... and how successful they were.

Well any similarity between anything called HRT and a proper race team is entirely coincidental.

For that matter any similarity between a race team owned by an investment bank and a successful race team is entirely coincidental. Look at how "Renault" are going backwards for instance.

[Angus Smart]

Renault pioneered the turbo charged formula one motor.

Nissan on the other hand have never even built an F1 motor of any sort.

So what would Nissan possibly be able to help them with?

this is true. one can only dream.. i was just happy to see infinity on the rb6 this year..

[scarface_au]

So ... does anyone rate Ricciardo a long term chance?

In the short term at least I think he's going to give Liuzzi a real touch up. And Buemi and Alguersuari will be thumb-wrestling for the remaining seat at STR next year

[Duncan]

Personally I'd love to see him make the next step (ie out of a shitter and into a top 10 car). But unfortunately it is probably as big a step as getting a start in the first place. Far too much luck involved...always has been.

BTW Liuzzi is no hack, and I'm not convinced Karthekeyan was either. Put anyone in a shitter and they will have a hard time too

[hrd-hr30]

yep, and Luizzi has heaps of F1 experience. You can bet he'll be motivated to beat the hotshot rookie too. Ricciardo is good, but don't expect too much for the first few races is my tip. I'd say racing the HRT will be a very different kettle of fish to testing the Red Bull.

Ricciardo has to be looking good as a long term prospect. He's still slated for Torro Rosso next year, which is the same path RBR put Vettel through. He's got the opportunity and certainly seems to have the speed & ability.

Edited July 4, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[Roy]

Nissan may not have done much in F1 but the R90CK never lacked for grunt