Vic Wasteland Thread

[alr33x]

Or haggle and buy my 33?

[Mohsen]

lol @ 200sx Jonoe posted...equivalent R33 GTS-T would be like 7/8k. Though that one does seem overpriced for the mileage. Face it Astro, nothing gonna beat a Skyline for the dollar value. In your position I'd consider a Rex though.

lol what happened to mr keen for fourteen with a RWC...

Taking it in for a check on Monday.

Probably a tyre kicker but meh, I'd be happy if I got less than that

[PENGUYEN]

lol @ 200sx Jonoe posted...equivalent R33 GTS-T would be like 7/8k. Though that one does seem overpriced for the mileage. Face it Astro, nothing gonna beat a Skyline for the dollar value. In your position I'd consider a Rex though.

Its expensive cause its manual.

Same spec/year in same condition (even lower k's) auto is like 8-9k.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

want mx5

[R31Nismoid]

lol @ you both

What you need to understand is that the worlds decisions and choices arent driven by Engineers.

Marketting/Finance/Shareholders set unrealistic demands with fk all money and expect the world.

Wont make this a tl;dr but have a think; What gets more money? Redesigning the powersteering system or adding iPod connectivity? You can sell a lot more cars advertising iPod connectivity than mentioning redesigned brake master cylinder.

If it was Engineers final decision, everything would be designed & built correctly, but unfortunately world is driven by money and the yuppies who pass through a finance diploma make all the calls.

The engineers are squarely to blame. It was pathetically designed, without cause for the conditions.

There is no one else to blame unless someone can produce a paper where by the engineers explicitly state this is a high risk in the documentation of the project.

Regardless of any Shareholders or Finance, which is a stupid point given the wheel has now cost FAR MORE than

1. It should have

2. Lost public confidence

3. Cost ING a lot more money in the entire docklands precinct.

As IF the commissioning of the wheel came down to S/H & F.

don't start getting technical kunts just admit that we are behind Japan/America tech wise not just cars just in general

Manufacturing wise - yes. Tech wise not really. There is some pretty serious gear (industry) that gets designed here for Mining, Agriculture. Whilst not an iPhone - it's tech none the less.

Look @ the 'tech' coming out of Taiwan, Thailand & similar with regards to electronics. They don't "have" the tech, they have foundries that make it. The tech to create/produce at that level is there as well which is far above the design of something that uses that process for without it you'd have nothing.

This is where Australia is losing and will continue to do so under the Carbon Tax, mark my words - manufacturing in Aus is already dropping and it'll disappear once everything is in full swing.

Aussie roads & conditions are certainly not part and parcel of many places in the world as well.

The local car market is very good. Hate them as i might, Holdens & Fords - you get a LOT more for you money these days than you did 10 years ago when purchasing a car.

That's with rising costs, inflation & base material costs.

If anything it's a testament to how well it's been done.

[Birds]

Thread is now about how awesome Corvettes are. I'd do bad things for the ZR1.

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[Count Grantleyish]

I'm sad that I don't have lazy $250k laying around. Do want the ZR1.

[alr33x]

I'd suspect Europe is the forefront of engineering if your talking exclsivley cars the luxo brands (love them or hate them) lead the tech race IMO.

Id love to see Hyundai create something like the veyron

As for ford and holden they are great cars but everyone has to have the badge value these days, forget the strain the cost of keeping up appearances puts as long as we got a flashier (base model BMW) car than shaz & Daz next door it's all swoit

[Birds]

I'd argue that, depending what kind of tech - R35 owns the track, the Ferrari looks and sounds better. The C63 is safer.

Any manufacturer could create their own Veyron if it was in their interests to do it...there's just no point to making a flagship concept when Hyundai don't sell sports/luxury cars. They make small and medium family cars on a budget and do that job better than Bugatti, hence there's a lot of them on the road. Bugatti could compete...no point to it.

Engineers build supercars in their backyards, just look at the land speed record holders at the salt flats in the states...all private teams. The difference between manufacturers with regard to technology, is in having the market or R&D backing to do it, not necessarily the intelligence of their engineers, who are given orders and constraints - though where I concede is that the brightest will usually be the highest paid and employed by the wealthiest of manufacturers.

In the end there's only so much you can put in a car and that's why Aus is catching up / has caught up, on a dollar for dollar vehicle comparison.

[dezz]

Shut the f**k up kunce

[Rekin]

The engineers are squarely to blame. It was pathetically designed, without cause for the conditions.

There is no one else to blame unless someone can produce a paper where by the engineers explicitly state this is a high risk in the documentation of the project.

Regardless of any Shareholders or Finance, which is a stupid point given the wheel has now cost FAR MORE than

1. It should have

2. Lost public confidence

3. Cost ING a lot more money in the entire docklands precinct.

As IF the commissioning of the wheel came down to S/H & F.

With any capital project, a budget is determined based on the payback period. Any capital spending must be repayed in X years for the project to be viable to go ahead. The easiest way to get more capital is to promise shorter payback period to your shareholders/finance department.

So the project managers goal is to have the lowest cost of build so the payback period is shorter and that finance/shareholders/directors are willing to invest.

So what's the best way to do this? Substitute Material A for Material B etc until the construction cost falls within your X years payback period.

The engineering department would build/design to whatever budget is given to them however it's their responsibility to flag any risks. It's up to the project manager/directors to accept this risk.

The difference between Australia and the rest of the world is company's culture in payback period. For example, Germany would have a payback period twice as long as Australia which means more initial capital investment.

Engineers dont build Ferris wheels just because they want to Ash lol. It's all about the payback for the business.

tl;dr

[WGNPWR]

astro you can have my rex for 12k

[Basti]

Shut the f**k up kunce

[paulr33]

just get a vl and run 22psi

[blah_blah]

Sorry Pat,

Would have to disagree with you here.

I find it highly unlikely that the engineers built the ferris wheel knowing the risks and that it was due solely to budget. If they knew theithere was a risk in it failing upon being built, I would say that they would have abandoned the project or asked for additional funding.

Moreso that they just stuffed up.

Also their are alot more factors to determine if a project is viable other than payback period. I.e NPV,IRR,and other economic factors such as cash flows, good will and additional interested attracted to the area.

[Flynnn]

[JEPPE]

Yes. Just beat my PB at the Island from April by .5 of a second after being set back by a traumatic crash in October. In an exhausted state as well!

Now down to 1:46.3 oooooooh rah! Only ten more seconds to go

[Sunkist]

power fc people:

Can you store more than one tune, if so, can you pick between them using a hand controller?? tell me someone

[Count Grantleyish]

power fc people:

Can you store more than one tune, if so, can you pick between them using a hand controller?? tell me someone

From what I know, you can't store more than one map in the ECU, I think Hamish carry laptop containing both 98 oct and E85 tune and transfering via PFC datalogit.

I'm sure Hamish will correct me if I'm wrong.

[Flynnn]