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Birds Grand Master

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I’d been following the 400Z concept closely, with excitement, because not only did I love the look of it, but production was rumored to source the Q60’s 3L twin turbo engine…as well as being one of the few modern (and fast) sports cars to offer a manual transmission. Looks like they’ve stayed pretty true to the concept here.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2022-nissan-z-revealed-298kw-turbo-v6-manual-gearbox-for-new-sports-coupe-here-in-2022/

Who else is buying one? 😃

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robbo_rb180 Grand Master

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Good they have used the vr30 but disappointed no dct option and its still using a lot of 370 underpinnings. If they can keep them around the 60K price range will be great value.
Love the look of it in blue a set of work xd9 in white would look mint.

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On 8/18/2021 at 7:55 PM, robbo_rb180 said:

Good they have used the vr30 but disappointed no dct option and its still using a lot of 370 underpinnings. If they can keep them around the 60K price range will be great value.
Love the look of it in blue a set of work xd9 in white would look mint.

DCT was never going to happen, it was pretty obvious from the start that this was going to be a fairly mild refresh of the 370Z. Even getting the 9G Mercedes transmission is pretty surprising IMO.

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PranK Grand Master

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I really like these and have been following on. I love that the brakes are decent and that the rear tyres are big (275's) because for me that means they are committed to this being a real drivers car and quite the track weapon.

I'm not a V6 fan and would have liked a straight 6 but I knew that was never going to happen. The figures look healthy though.

I'm out tho with no back seats. At least until I can afford a 65k play car. 🤣

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Kinkstaah Grand Master

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You have an X5 as a punishment car. Everything else should be on the table, you've done your time!


Looks good, the front looks weird, back looks ace. It's the lastest in the line of "basic platform car" that the aftermarket can take hold of an make their own, i.e the next of the GR86/400Z/GR Yaris style of car.

It'll be interesting to see how it holds up to the Mustang. People in AU do clearly tend to enjoy buying cars of that ilk given how many 86's, MX5's and Mustangs one sees around

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On 8/18/2021 at 11:37 PM, Dose Pipe Sutututu said:

Nearly a fan, but the rear end just ruins it for me.

Also do we know if it's just a crap auto box OR a nice sexual ZF box?

It's not a ZF 8 speed, the 9 speed ZF is also not very good either. It's a Mercedes 9G-Tronic. 

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Duncan Grand Master

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Not to mention the quality of the compressor housing casting.

But I am pretty sure the turbo speed sensor relates to direct electronic wastegate control which is a very logical step ahead (and already in production on the skyline version). Wastegates were about the only thing left in a modern car that was pneumatic instead of electric

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On 8/19/2021 at 5:21 PM, Duncan said:

Not to mention the quality of the compressor housing casting.

But I am pretty sure the turbo speed sensor relates to direct electronic wastegate control which is a very logical step ahead (and already in production on the skyline version). Wastegates were about the only thing left in a modern car that was pneumatic instead of electric

https://conceptzperformance.com/blog/a-closer-look-at-the-vr30ddtts-turbochargers/

The lower power versions delete the turbo speed sensor so it's not strictly necessary per se but I bet they included it on the higher power variant to avoid scenarios like a boost leak causing the turbo to spin beyond design spec. Not sure how an electronic wastegate relates here, wouldn't closed loop boost be looking at current airflow vs target airflow?

GTSBoy Grand Master

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On 8/20/2021 at 11:56 AM, joshuaho96 said:

Not sure how an electronic wastegate relates here, wouldn't closed loop boost be looking at current airflow vs target airflow?

In a simple control system, yes. But once you go electronic you have the option to put in all sorts of things that were unimaginable before. So they might have specific strategies around starting to open the wastegate as shaft speed reaches a certain point, or closing the wastegate if shaft speed falls under certain circumstances, all coupled in with throttle control, cam timing etc etc. The possibilities are really quite wide. I'm sure that there are a dozen things that OEM engineers have been wanting to be able to do but were prevented by not having the tools available. They're now reaching that capability.....just as the IC engine is reaching its last gasp.

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On 20/08/2021 at 10:21 AM, Duncan said:

Wastegates were about the only thing left in a modern car that was pneumatic instead of electric

Well for most of the Asian cars, the Euros have been running electronic waste gates for quite some time.

And not to mention running an electronic waste gate you have so much more control over a mechanical one.

tridentt150v Grand Master

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No rear seat = no cabin room, and cuts back its versatility for me.  if it was even a 2+2 then I might have been more interested.

So IMO [and following in the same vein - asian made and and price range] the genesis and the stinger still have more to offer....for now.

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On 8/19/2021 at 8:49 PM, tridentt150v said:

No rear seat = no cabin room, and cuts back its versatility for me.  if it was even a 2+2 then I might have been more interested.

So IMO [and following in the same vein - asian made and and price range] the genesis and the stinger still have more to offer....for now.

This would be less of a problem if the Q50/Q60 had a proper manual/performance variant. It's obvious that they could've done it but it was deleted for whatever reason. It wouldn't take much of a refresh to get the 2+2 or even performance sedan that people are looking for but knowing Nissan they probably won't bother.

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GTSBoy Grand Master

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Looks like my thinking on the price was pretty close. They're apparently talking pretty much bang on $70k. It's the spot it needs to be to command enough (any) sales. Will possibly convince some people who wanted a Supra but couldn't quite stretch that far.

If I wasn't congenitally allergic to spending that much money I think I'd be on it like a rash. Last chance for anything in this mould, I think.

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