World Time Attack Challenge 2012

[MountainRunner]

The big plus side of having compatable international rules in all series is the fact that cars can travel overseas and have a good run at it. Building cars for each of the series to compete in other countries is too much.

Noel makes a good point, those front running cars are very cool too watch. I think this year has changed the game, NEMO racing did an insane job of resetting the benchmark. I don't like the idea of making rules to ban cars but another class may be in order, AERO class or PROTOTYPE class to put these cars in. Making rules is never easy but could incorporate the footprint of the car, such as no more than 10%(?) extra width / length protruding, tube frames etc. As hrd-hr30 said maybe slicks allowed in that class also, as the aero etc has taken them way out of the realm of tuned street cars.

[phunky_monkey]

That's exactly what it is at the moment Ray. It's quite a young form of motorsport, and as Drifting once was, is not that organised. Props to the guys over here to get such a World Class event going in such a short amount of time. This isn't a massive company with endless means and time, and they are still learning. Let's not forget that From what I've seen they've done a fabulous job thus far, and I'm sure they will fine tune the rules and setup to suit the newfound global position it now has.

As for the image above of Nemo, I also thing that must be a very early image. Last photo I saw it didn't have B-Pillars at all.

Well done to all who competed, looked like a great event and one that I'm sorry I missed. Looking forward to next year!

[«Cyph3r»]

From what I understand, the various world time attack events are seperate events with different rule books? The organisers need to develop standardised rule books for the world time attack series as a whole. It should be the same rules whether it be in Japan, Australia, the USA, or wherever. And, whole Nemo smashed everyone, there were some insanely fast cars that had lap times that were faster than last year's winning lap time. So teams have the means and tech to compete with Nemo. As has already been said, they can either decide that it's too hard and give up or they can decide to accept the challenge and come back with faster cars. I'm hoping it's the latter.

Well given that the TIlton car was reportedly running basically as a FWD when it set it's fastest time sounds like it may have been able to rival Nemo with it's problems ironed out.

Pretty impressive given how much it still resembles an evo with bolt ons, not unlike the Cyber evo when they were running Voltex.

[FineLine]

Time attack has always had rules. dot approved semi;s. end of rules.

[MrX2You]

to big translator for all japan time attack rule - hiroaki sorry

hiroaki not wanted bad voice argument sorry try be friendly to australia time attack

wish NEMO black r34 cyber garage revolution all racers together in australia 2013 - maybe hiroaki go to australia yes

[ssxRicho]

UK time attack also use slicks a control slick actaully.

Time Attack means different things to different people. For me it's a car, not space / tube frame shit.

[Husky33]

The rules not only need to be defined, but imo opinion i dont think 3 classes can cater for the various forms of cars out there.

Even if clubsprint for example is split into several different classes, allowing basically stock cars to the more extreme versions to compete in their own right.

[ras1983]

to big translator for all japan time attack rule - hiroaki sorry

hiroaki not wanted bad voice argument sorry try be friendly to australia time attack

wish NEMO black r34 cyber garage revolution all racers together in australia 2013 - maybe hiroaki go to australia yes

Hiroaki, you haven't caused an argument. It's just that it's clear the rules need improving and/or enforcing.

[Roy]

Meh to international rules. The Japanese GT racing is different to the Europeans which is different to the Americans so what chance has a club level scene got?

I think the main thing is to stay away from slicks. I would be interested to know the one lap pace difference of a slick vs semi....as loads of the slicks out there are for controlled series and doubt they are that brilliant a tyre

[sav man]

I can just see jean todt putting on a flat cap and creating the fia time attack series

[zebra]

I can just see jean todt putting on a flat cap and creating the fia time attack series

lol

[boxheadmr]

i think Nemo is planning on going to the states and Japan and would be allowed to compete with the current set up, to me that means Australia has got the rule mix right although need to enforce it.

if anything for the states Nemo could run a slick that is a lot wider and go quicker again.

[Shitbox]

so i assume club cars dont need to be roadworthy, just needs current rego?

doesnt seem legit

[Snowman]

The rules not only need to be defined, but imo opinion i dont think 3 classes can cater for the various forms of cars out there.

Even if clubsprint for example is split into several different classes, allowing basically stock cars to the more extreme versions to compete in their own right.

Honestly - I don't see the point to Clubsprint in Time Attack. It's kind of completely against the point of the event to run stockish cars. And this is coming from someone who was supposed to be in Clubsprint. It just doesn't feel like it belongs at this event and given the fastest Clubsprint cars were all bloody open class cars anyways, I think if a field of cars ran around in the guise the class was supposed to be then everyone would just look at them and think "why are they here?".

I reckon they'd be better off having more Open cars and splitting 4WD and 2WD categories and giving more reward / focus to good 2WD entries.

So instead of 50 Open class cars and 25 Clubsprint they could have roughly 30 AWD Open and 30 2WD Open cars and scrap Club. Top 5 from each get Pro invites for the following year.

My 2c anyways.

[The Bogan]

so i assume club cars dont need to be roadworthy, just needs current rego?

doesnt seem legit

Its like the other rules and regs Ive seen that say the car must be registered and have a engineers cert for any modifications to run in SVD, Ive never been asked to show a cert once.

If the car is meant to be regoed it should at least look like it could pass a slip.

Im only a occasional weekend warrior but it seems, at local super sprint events anyway, you pick the class you think you would be competetive in and go from there, Im only there for fun but I feel bad for the people running to the rules in their group whilst others blatently disregaurd the rules and enter their car in the wrong group.

A friend has a reasonably standard WRX who plays by the rules but others in his class have cars that are so far away from that class its not funny but they are still entering the same class as him.

He says its cool but you can tell that it guts him, at least he is cool in the knowledge that he is doing it right and the others are cheats.

[zebra]

Touching on marks post

While it sucks people turn their noses up at the rule book

It would be silly to scare people away by stripping engines etc at the end of an event

I certainly couldn't afford to have that happen to me, and even if money was no object it would annoy me to say the least at club level, national level racing is understandable

So with wtac/SL only being around since 09 I can see why they are allowing anything to enter (unless it's a Porsche lol)

But given entries sell out damn near instantly it would be nice to see them advvertise the fact that all cars must be to the letter of the regs or risk being booted and not welcome back until the car checks out, give the average club guy a chance to stick it to the guys with big cheque books

Why would someone like me want to enter, when I would prob be 15 secs a lap off the pace even though my car would be more of a club car than a carbon winged warrior lol

Either way super lap is for the bigger budgets and cams sprints will tide the rest of us over I guess

[ssxRicho]

But given entries sell out damn near instantly it would be nice to see them advvertise the fact that all cars must be to the letter of the regs or risk being booted and not welcome back until the car checks out, give the average club guy a chance to stick it to the guys with big cheque books

They sent correspondence about tyre choice, but didn't police it during the event. Similar thing regarding FRP/Carbon fenders.

[The Bogan]

Touching on marks post

While it sucks people turn their noses up at the rule book

It would be silly to scare people away by stripping engines etc at the end of an event

Its the blantant stuff that erks me, his class states the car must be standard with only a few mods here and there, but he is up against cars that have the dash gutted, carbon bonnets, doors, boots, guards, wings, splitters, big boost and stuff.

But I 100% agree that super lap should be the best of the best, why would I want to pay money for something I can see every weekend at a race track near me, I want stupid fast cars with every bell and whistle.

They should have two groups, insanely fast and stupidly insanely fast.

Im just pissed that I missed it because work thought it would be better for me to be living out in the range for a couple of weeks.

FTA

[260DET]

Its like the other rules and regs Ive seen that say the car must be registered and have a engineers cert for any modifications to run in SVD, Ive never been asked to show a cert once.

If the car is meant to be regoed it should at least look like it could pass a slip.

Im only a occasional weekend warrior but it seems, at local super sprint events anyway, you pick the class you think you would be competetive in and go from there, Im only there for fun but I feel bad for the people running to the rules in their group whilst others blatently disregaurd the rules and enter their car in the wrong group.

A friend has a reasonably standard WRX who plays by the rules but others in his class have cars that are so far away from that class its not funny but they are still entering the same class as him.

He says its cool but you can tell that it guts him, at least he is cool in the knowledge that he is doing it right and the others are cheats.

Unfortunately that sort of cheating happens a lot, good on your mate for standing firm.

[hrd-hr30]

Honestly - I don't see the point to Clubsprint in Time Attack. It's kind of completely against the point of the event to run stockish cars. And this is coming from someone who was supposed to be in Clubsprint. It just doesn't feel like it belongs at this event and given the fastest Clubsprint cars were all bloody open class cars anyways, I think if a field of cars ran around in the guise the class was supposed to be then everyone would just look at them and think "why are they here?".

I reckon they'd be better off having more Open cars and splitting 4WD and 2WD categories and giving more reward / focus to good 2WD entries.

So instead of 50 Open class cars and 25 Clubsprint they could have roughly 30 AWD Open and 30 2WD Open cars and scrap Club. Top 5 from each get Pro invites for the following year.

My 2c anyways.

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