I for one welcome Nissda.

[PranK]

https://apnews.com/article/japan-nissan-honda-evs-foxconn-782913451d6487ed177a3517a9ba5be5

The world's worst kept secret? 

What are we to expect here?

[r32-25t]

Im happy for it as long as it means reanult gets the boot 

[Duncan]

Surely the merged entity will be called "Honda" given the relative company values.

I've got to be honest, I don't understand how merging 2 companies that missed EVs (despite Nissan making the first mass produced one) will solve their problems

[PranK]

@Duncan hopefully they have a good hard look at Toyota. Both EVs AND performance vehicles! 

[MBS206]

Do you think they'll merge there performance divisions and we'll end up HoMo?

[joshuaho96]

15 hours ago, Duncan said:

Surely the merged entity will be called "Honda" given the relative company values.

I've got to be honest, I don't understand how merging 2 companies that missed EVs (despite Nissan making the first mass produced one) will solve their problems

Honda's hybrid system can be easily scaled up to PHEVs. Series hybrid at low speeds, at higher speeds the engine directly drives the wheels but there can still be some power bled off to charge the battery + the electric motor can still provide parallel assistance too. It's really only a question of will at that point. Toyota's PHEVs are selling incredibly well at the moment because of the flexibility. You can run on EV mode when it makes sense, but if you're planning on doing a long highway drive you can still fire up the gas engine and not have to worry about dealing with the rather miserable state of public charging infrastructure.

[Ozdavroz]

Nissan needs to forget about building SUVs in every size possible and bring back the damn Silvia/200sx duo to compete with the 86/brz. Maybe with the Honda type r motor pointing the right way

[The Bogan]

1 hour ago, Ozdavroz said:

Nissan needs to forget about building SUVs in every size possible and bring back the damn Silvia/200sx duo to compete with the 86/brz. Maybe with the Honda type r motor pointing the right way

A sporty manual RWD coupe with a IL4 Honda engine would only be a good thing

I assume we won't see anything released for a few years though, unless informal talks and designs have been going on for a few years,  and due to the current, and future, emmisions and safety requirements, I assume anything "sporty" they would do would be at least some hybrid thingie

And hopefully anything they are thinking of has nice lines, without lots of plastic and fake bits hanging off it like that horrendous FK8 that looked like it was designed by a 13 year old

The other issue of course in the current market is cost, currently the type R is around $70k, a twin is around $50k

Meh, I'm old and grumpy and would rather buy a older model car and waste my coin on that than buying anything currently available new

 

[Rezz]

On 24/12/2024 at 12:32 PM, Ozdavroz said:

Nissan needs to forget about building SUVs in every size possible and bring back the damn Silvia/200sx duo to compete with the 86/brz. Maybe with the Honda type r motor pointing the right way

Those car show concepts from the 2000's and 2010's like the Floria and IDx were brilliant and should've gone ahead, at least one of them. But neither Honda nor Nissan are thinking about affordable performance any more, which is truly sad. 

Even if Toyota's liquid hydrogen ICE development reaches the point where it's commercially viable and the infrastructure to support it, Honda/Nissan would have to wait until Toyota allow fee access to their patents to offer it with any smaller performance models they released to take advantage of it.
 

[niZmO_Man]

Sports car sales are minuscule. CUVs are where the sales are, and every manufacturer including Ferrari are catering for those buyers. Sadly. Can't even get a wagon for less than $50k.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

Correct, sports cars are just a passion project, especially ones that are within reach/affordable for the slightly above average person, e.g. self combusting GR Corolla or GR Yaris.

Nissan and Honda have a long journey ahead before they start with any passion projects. Honda, as of late isn't doing itself any favours with heaps of recalls and cars being delivered with tons of defects. My mate recently just got into a legal dispute with one of the dealers regarding his brand new CR-V. Ended to with a full refund, went down the road, orders a brand new Rav 4 hybrid and couldn't have been happier (when compared to the Lemon CR-V).

[soviet_merlin]

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From Nissan, Honda could get truck-based body-on-frame large SUVs such as the Armada and Infiniti QX80 that Honda doesn’t have, with large towing capacities and good off-road performance, Sam Fiorani, vice president of AutoForecast Solutions, told The Associated Press.

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More SUVs, yay. Oh well, it's what people want apparently.

[Duncan]

I think a lot of you hit the real issue, these brands aren't making cars at a competitive price. Lucky that Foxxconnnn didn't buy Nissan otherwise the cars would be built by 13 year olds doing 15 hour shifts like iPhones.

This reminds me of British Leyland. 5th largest global manufacturer in 1968, collapsed by 1975 with only a couple of brands escaping to be owned by Chinese brands today. Along they way they vacuumed up MG, Jaguar, Daimler, Rover, Land Rover, Austin, Morris, Wolseley, Mini, Triumph, Riley, Alvis, 

Yes, they had other problems but the basic issue was the wrong production (and therefore retail) price.

If you are a car manufacturer and you haven't noticed China coming, its already too late.

[r32-25t]

Apparently Mitsubishi are involved in this venture as well 

[niZmO_Man]

HoMoArt!

[admS15]

MitsuDaSan

[TurboTapin]

On 12/25/2024 at 6:36 PM, r32-25t said:

Apparently Mitsubishi are involved in this venture as well 

Nissan is the largest shareholder of Mitsubishi motors, so they come along for the ride. Nissan actually owns more of Mitsubishi's Motors then Mitsubishi does. 

My '23 Mitsubishi Outlander is a Nissan Rogue in disguise. 

[GTSBoy]

18 minutes ago, TurboTapin said:

Nissan Rogue

Is a dirty cheese eating surrender monkey in drag.

[PotatoCake]

Front wheeled vtec powered rb monster

[joshuaho96]

On 12/24/2024 at 1:18 PM, soviet_merlin said:

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More SUVs, yay. Oh well, it's what people want apparently.

That's what the people want, unfortunately. We can argue about whether this is cultural or marketing but in the US people like big SUVs because they want the capability all in one vehicle.