Vic Wasteland Thread - 15.0

[Birds]

Yeah when I watched it that looked strange to me too, along with him stalking them beforehand and them not noticing him or the fact he's holding a gun.

But sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction and those elements of weirdness or not quite right make it more real to me, because what conspirator would include an off thing like that at the risk of being exposed? I mean, if it was staged surely they would have accounted for those things like that she ran away after being shot point blank and it looks odd. I don't think it's hard to make a shooting look real (as in Hollywood real) on video; give her squibs or something, or have him shoot at a distance so less likely to see any wounds.

I think the guy was either a terrible shot or she had an adrenalin/shock powered fight-flight response that made her run even if it didn't get her far. She wasn't hit in the back or the head or legs, so not immediately fatal/paralysing wounds.

I say the same thing about 9/11 with all the theories that the planes weren't passenger planes etc. If they wanted to do a conspiracy and get away with it accounting for obvious things then they would; conspirators in high powered positions aren't dumb.

But yeah I'm pretty anti-conspiracy theory admittedly, I believe people always try to find more than there is to it. If any of these people I'm the video pop up around America it's gotta be found out; the whole nation has seen pics of them.

[dezz]

I've seen a few documentaries on 9/11 and it's hard not to believe the US was behind it.. Take away all the stuff which could be made up and just deal with scientific fact, and it seems like a US planned job to me..

[dezz]

It's so outrageous to think a government would kill 3000 of its own people, so most people won't believe it, but if you can let yourself believe that a government would do something like that, the evidence is pretty damning

[Birds]

I'd like to think I'm open minded to any possibility - the killing 3000 of its own citizens part isn't unbelievable for me or beyond a government, governments around the world do it all the time and the US has sent many millions more off to war for ultimately the same purpose.

What I find unbelievable is that conspirators would be silly enough to leave any trails behind or wouldn't have researched properly how to get away with it / account for this. It's really not hard to get away with conspiracy and there are much less complicated ways of doing it than placing explosives in a couple of skyscrapers for example. Historically most conspiracies have been opened up by spies or damning evidence or documentation that proves the conspiracy and there aren't really any ridiculous plots - it's mostly just corrupt politicians and figureheads stealing money and helping friends out (watergate etc.). 9/11 on the other hand, all the theories I've heard can't be proved either way, as any so called proof either way can and has been argued against and for. It's worse than science and religion.

[Leroy Peterson]

At the end of the day, people died. Why would they go that far in a conspiracy?

Rephrase: person/people died and dude shot himself... I wouldn't put it passed America to go that far for gun control... But not a black man. He didn't even use a tech9

[Birds]

Glock 9 is mentioned in plenty of rap songs, don't be racially ignorant

[Rekin]

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[scotty nm35]

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[Birds]

hahaha.

Finally caved on E85 fuel lines lol

Was on my way to see Barry for GTR progress (lucky coincidence) and noticed 100km / half a tank; poor even by evo standards. Strong smell of E85 in the cabin. Got to edge and put it on the hoist...the fuel filter hose had split and was leaking haha. Return line still intact but we replaced them all anyway.

I'm thinking with my slowly degrading economy it's just slowly gotten worse over time, so now looking forward to some good MPG.

Now just gotta do the fuel tank ones when I cbf...

[Odium]

The goal for the today was to install the new Pioneer AVH-X5750BT head unit.... it's still sitting next to me on the desk...
Instead I pulled out half the dash and removed many years of hack jobs by retarded previous owners / installers.

Removed:
- A Pioneer (??) CD stacker loom which ran towards the boot

- Pioneer CWM4331 Antenna Switch Box
- JVC KW-AVH846 Touch Screen Double DIN Head Unit which had died, thus the replacement.
- JVC (??) KW-HBANAV10 Satellite Navigation Unit and GPS Antenna

- Kenwood CX-F510 TV Diversity Film Antenna (Ran up both of the A-Pillars and uses the chassis to pick up Analogue TV channels)
- Do-Luck D-ACD-M ( http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/evo-engine-turbo-drivetrain/397744-do-luck-acd-controller-evo-7-8-9-a.html )
- 4ga power cable running from the engine bay to under the back seat, which was then taped onto 8ga cable running into the boot for a sub. and then the ground cable was a 4ga which was tek screwed into the body right next to the fuel tank.

Kept:

- HKS Type I Speed Limit Defencer ( http://www.rhdjapan.com/hks-sld-speed-limit-defencer-type-i.html )

- Drift Boost Guage (Not powering up for some reason, need to investigate that one seperately)

Also found a pair of Orlando's baby socks wedged in the corner of the boot.

[Leroy Peterson]

Score.

[dezz]

I'd like to think I'm open minded to any possibility - the killing 3000 of its own citizens part isn't unbelievable for me or beyond a government, governments around the world do it all the time and the US has sent many millions more off to war for ultimately the same purpose.

What I find unbelievable is that conspirators would be silly enough to leave any trails behind or wouldn't have researched properly how to get away with it / account for this. It's really not hard to get away with conspiracy and there are much less complicated ways of doing it than placing explosives in a couple of skyscrapers for example. Historically most conspiracies have been opened up by spies or damning evidence or documentation that proves the conspiracy and there aren't really any ridiculous plots - it's mostly just corrupt politicians and figureheads stealing money and helping friends out (watergate etc.). 9/11 on the other hand, all the theories I've heard can't be proved either way, as any so called proof either way can and has been argued against and for. It's worse than science and religion.

Things like a 3rd trade centre building collapsing 6 blocks away, the way the twin towers fell (identical to a planned demolition), the fact that those two towers were built to withstand an incident like that, yet crumbled to dust, the fact other skyscrapers (incomplete construction sites at that) have been ablaze for far longer than the trade centres were, and survived... there's just too much for it being done by the US imo.

The problem is, even if anything was proven beyond a doubt, it's never gonna be seen or heard by enough people to do anything about it... I don't think anyone will be taking on the kind of people that would've had to have been involved in something that insane.

At the end of the day, people died. Why would they go that far in a conspiracy?

Can't tell if you're being serious... I'd hope not...

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

There is kind of a difference between a fire and a fire caused by an 80,000kg jet fuel filed object moving at 500kph

[Birds]

Mate (Singaporean; relevant to video) had a run in with your average centrelink customer when he tried to park his bike

[dezz]

There is kind of a difference between a fire and a fire caused by an 80,000kg jet fuel filed object moving at 500kph

There's also the fact jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel

Then there's the fact the entire tower crumbled to rubble in a matter of seconds, when the planes hit near the top, not the bottom, with several explosions at lower levels as it came down...

Facts like those aside, there's the other tower which was not hit by a plane, mysteriously crumbling hours later, while every other surrounding building was fine.

Bush's family standing to make billions in military weapons contracts from the resulting war

Luckily they were able to recover a passport of one of the terrorists on the streets amongst the rubble, who was aboard the plane which evaporated on impact, completely levelling a skyscraper in the process, so they knew who to attack. What luck!

Don't even get me started on the Pentagon...

Like I said, it's not an easy thing to even open your mind to believe, but once you do, it's hard to NOT believe it

[dezz]

Mate (Singaporean; relevant to video) had a run in with your average centrelink customer when he tried to park his bike

I think she actually had mental health issues though...

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

There's also the fact jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel

Then there's the fact the entire tower crumbled to rubble in a matter of seconds, when the planes hit near the top, not the bottom, with several explosions at lower levels as it came down...

Facts like those aside, there's the other tower which was not hit by a plane, mysteriously crumbling hours later, while every other surrounding building was fine.

Bush's family standing to make billions in military weapons contracts from the resulting war

Luckily they were able to recover a passport of one of the terrorists on the streets amongst the rubble, who was aboard the plane which evaporated on impact, completely levelling a skyscraper in the process, so they knew who to attack. What luck!

Don't even get me started on the Pentagon...

Like I said, it's not an easy thing to even open your mind to believe, but once you do, it's hard to NOT believe it

I really can't be fkd going too deeply into it, but most of those theories popularised in films like loose change etc have been debunked.

Thing is when you watch a 911 doco with an agenda, you only get one side of the story and only get "experts" from one side aswell.

Everyone also goes on about jet fuel not being hot enough to melt the steel but that's not entirely true. A planeload of jet fuel igniting in a split second is taking the temperature up rapidly, not slowly like in melting point tests.

Think of a thin glass that comes out of the fridge. Put water in it and slowly heat it up to 100c and nothing happens. Pour already boiling water into it and it will most likely crack or even shatter instantly. Glass has a melting point of ~1500c.

Then you have the idiots quoting the number of jews that weren't in the building that morning, whiles at the same time leaving out the number of non jews that weren't in the building that same day...

Clearly the passport surviving the crash/heat is fake but that doesn't make it a pre-mediated attack, all that says is that they took advantage of the situation.

All in all we won't ever really know what happened that day beyond planes hittung buildings.

[dezz]

I'd like to see how they 'debunked' any claims from the pentagon situation.

A commercial airliner that hit a building that low to the ground leaving no trail on the grass, no debris from the plane that supposedly hit it, no entry holes on the face of the building consistent with tbe type of plane that supposedly hit it, no CCTV footage of one of the most heavily protected buildings in the world apart from the 2 frames they released, neither of which show a commercial airliner hitting anything, , no action taken against a plane entering some of the most protected airspace in the world etc...

Strange that the jet fuel in that airliner didn't incinerate the building like it did the plane..

[Rekin]

[alr33x]

Yall know 2pac is alive right?